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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.0&return_msg=42505.14"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.91">91–94</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42505.14">General Election 2019</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42505_14_94_10"> <a name="a42505_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 14:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">14 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14">42505.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I don't know how to read Corbyn as the leader of a major political party. He seems affable, very intelligent and well-informed, and consistent in his views over many decades. That's on the plus side.<br /> <br /> His laid-back, 'walking dead' absent-minded professor campaign style just has me completely baffled.<br /> <br /> If the polls are to be believed, it's not gone down well with the public (allowing for external factors of extreme media/establishment hostility, the ceaseless character assassination, even from within his party).<br /> <br /> I've seen similar before, here in Canada: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Liberal_leadership_bid_by_St%C3%A9phane_Dion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Liberal_leadership_bid_by_St%C3%A9phane_Dion</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.14&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 15:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 15:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.15">42505.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">42505.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Seems accurate.<br /> <br /> SNP for me. I realised Scottish Labour were rotten to the core when I had to share an office building with them in 2009ish. They're absolutely toxic up here now, though for a variety of reasons. <br /> <br /> Really hoping for a Lab/SNP coalition at Westminster, but I'm not quite sure I can see it happening unless there is some serious backlash against the Tories for all the shitty tricks they've already trotted out in this campaign (the edited video, the 'FactcheckUK' bollocks, and registering www.labourmanifesto.com and paying for google ads to promote to the top of searches for Labour stuff, to name but 3).<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.15&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 15:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">16 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.16">42505.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Steve - yeah. PR would be great (allowing for the pity that it'd let Farage's mob have an official influence to go along with their current unofficial one). We at least have the hope that the polls are like they were in 2017, i.e. completely wrong. Which is actually a reasonable hope since all their modelling tends to be adjusted to get the result they want to show, but you'd still rather be on the winning side of it wouldn't you. Funnily enough somebody as principled as Corbyn getting in would probably be the best chance of PR in our lifetimes now after everybody fucked up the AV referendum (cheers lib dems! Glad we keep learning from these referendum things and don't keep making the same mistake but worse each time somehow!), but ho hum.<br /> <br /> WilliamA - agree 100% maybe I'll just drink 6 bottles of that champagne and read some more Swinson The Squirrel Hater shitposting to cheer myself up.<br /> <br /> DSMITH - yes it is a sad fact that people want their party to be fronted by a shiny suit still. Whenever he's exposed to people directly, the majority of them seem to respond very well, strangely enough. Fuck this country's media.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.16&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 16:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 16:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.17">42505.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.13">42505.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nicola 'Adolf bloody Hitler' Sturgeon outlawed those offers in Scotland. Might have to go on a booze cruise to Carlisle. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.17&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 16:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 17:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.18">42505.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_16" target="_self">42505.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "people want their party to be fronted by a shiny suit"<br /> <br /> doesn't explain bojo going about in a clown suit he's just soiled.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.18&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 18:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Dec 2019 20:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.19">42505.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_17" target="_self">42505.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What's the general feeling towards Sturgeon north of the border?<br /> <br /> From what I've seen, she's not gone down the usual 'I'm an MP running for election look at this wacky thing I'm doing to be popular' schtick, which is meritorious but she does unfortunately come across as a <s>bit</s> lot of a twat.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.19&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 20:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 21:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.20">42505.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_19" target="_self">42505.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not as much as her predecessor.<br /> <br /> Does she come across as a lot of a twat? I stand to be corrected, but when I listen to her and look about the competition within the UK she usually comes across quite well. Obviously the minimum unit pricing thing is an aberration.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.20&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 20:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 20:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.21">42505.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_20" target="_self">42505.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Incidentally, listening to Johnson on a BBC question time debate. He hasn't yet answered a single question put to him. That's always been his technique - he answers another different question. Usually when asked 'how he intends to do something' he responds with 'what we want as an outcome is...' and avoids the how altogether.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.21&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 20:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 20:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.22">42505.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_21" target="_self">42505.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> He and earlier, Swinson are both getting hammered on this.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.22&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 21:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Nov 2019 13:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.23">42505.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14#a42505_22" target="_self">42505.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's at the point where it's beyond a joke. The evening concluded with 3 specific questions for him which he didn't even pretend to address. He just gave yet another mini speech about Brexit and he was allowed to get away with it. <br /> <br /> As for Jo Swinson - is it wrong that every time she appears on the telly-box the only thing that pops into my head is "Yeth, and I'm only thixteen." It probably is. It probably says something about how much work I need to do on my attitudes. I can't abide her. She's crass. Questioned about the level of student debt following the libdem/tory coalition she restricted herself to "sorry". It took a follow up question to ask the obvious "er, yes, so you're sorry - and what are you intending to do about it?"<br /> <br /> I'm never going to sympathise with the LibDem position, but I'm familiar with what the Liberal Party was like in the 70s. It was a genuine repository for alternative political thought much of it was centre of centre left, but it encompassed some pretty radical left wing thinking through its fabian links. It all turned to shit with the SDP/Liberal merger in 87. I have no idea at all what the LibDem's stand for. I mean, yes, I know they're pro EU and pro cancelling Article 50, but apart from that, a bit of tinkering with tax, legalising cannabis and a fistful of Hooray policies around good things like renewables and train fares, they just seem to be ferociously in favour of not a lot - except Corbyn is the Devil's cousin.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.23&return_msg=42505.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42505.24" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>