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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   29 Jan 2020 02:43 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      40 of 89 
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It made a 'hard copy' backup and I thought the file copy might be faster than over our 100 Mbs lan. The dvd read was so slow on the new pc I would up going over the lan. Got the backup though.
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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   29 Jan 2020 18:40 
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)       41 of 89 
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I've only skimmed the thread so excuse me if I say stuff that has already been said. Maybe you've already bought a new PC by now. WHO CAN POSSIBLY KNOW without reading.

Yeah AMD's better than Intel for CPUs right now. Partly just because they've got better, partly because multi-core stuff is starting to matter more and also in large part because they're not as susceptible to the speculative execution/prediction vulnerabilities that have been discovered lately (and thus don't require the costly mitigations).

GPU wise, last time I looked, AMD's better (value for money) at the bottom end and in the middle, Nvidia's better at the top. Also AMD cards tend to be power hungry if that's a concern. If you're going to be running Linux, go AMD cos their open source drivers are really good now.

For your main drive *totally* go with NVMe for your system drive. They're about the same price as normal SSDs now and *much* faster.

This is pretty much the best one and not that pricey: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-MZ-V7S1T0BW-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07MBQPQ62/

This cheaper one is still going to be miles faster than a normal SSD: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT1000P1SSD8-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ/

I've got a mini-ITX PC currently and it's fine. You do have to pick your graphics card carefully but other than that it's been no different to a full-size thing.

And yeah, might as well go 32GB and all that blah blah blah.

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 From:  graphitone   29 Jan 2020 19:15 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      42 of 89 
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You alright chief?


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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   29 Jan 2020 19:16 
 To:  graphitone      43 of 89 
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Aye, reet. Thasen?

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 From:  graphitone   29 Jan 2020 19:17 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      44 of 89 
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Aye.

Well then. That's that, see you in a few years?


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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   29 Jan 2020 19:22 
 To:  graphitone      45 of 89 
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Might stay for a cuppa...
 
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 From:  milko   29 Jan 2020 19:29 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      46 of 89 
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kinell. it's thee. !!
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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   29 Jan 2020 19:47 
 To:  milko      47 of 89 
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Ahreet lad!
 
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)    29 Jan 2020 23:55 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      48 of 89 
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Helloaeteaoaoaia!

I haven't bought anything yet - I'm waiting until I know I've got a few weekends at home when I can take the time to properly faff. From what I've seen, the Ryzen 5 3600 seems to be the popular choice of CPU just now, although I need to figure out the appropriate motherboard, and take into account if it needs flashed or not. GPU, I'm looking at splashing out on an NVidia, but haven't fully made up my mind. I can afford to, so why not, eh?

I'll be taking your advice on the SSD.

Going to go ATX, as I've got space for it.

But it'll be a few weeks before I'm in a position to buy. Possibly even a month. How did I get so busy!?
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 From:  Manthorp   30 Jan 2020 12:22 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      49 of 89 
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Eyup Xen. Muffin?
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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   30 Jan 2020 12:43 
 To:  Manthorp      50 of 89 
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Ooh, love one. English with butter please.
 
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   31 Jan 2020 01:59 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      51 of 89 
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CHRIST, don't startle me like that¬!
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   31 Jan 2020 02:13 
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)       52 of 89 
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Oh yeah, PC... I don't care so much about size but I do care about noise, so I have one of those totes ridic Noctua NH-D15 coolers the size of a small house, a big Fractal Design Define case, and about 4 or 5 case fans running very, very slowly. No spinny drives (just SSDs), decently cooled model of GPU, and it's all shockingly quiet.

I'd definitely recommend a Ryzen 2 (3xxx) of some sort, with at least 3200MHz RAM, and whatever GPU you want. Nice thing about AMD is that nowadays socket AM4 is used on all of their standard CPUs - you can get a B450 motherboard for a lot less than X570, and it'll do essentially the same stuff.
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 From:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)   31 Jan 2020 12:57 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      53 of 89 
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 (cheer)
 
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   31 Jan 2020 14:21 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      54 of 89 
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Also, found this when reading about Ryzen 2 and memory ranks and speed and stuff:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310-2.html

Basically, get 4x 8GB single rank, and make it fast. I've already got two sets of this stuff, and as far as I've read it'll also overclock to 3600MHz which seems to be a good point for Ryzen 2.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ballistix-BLS2K8G4D30AESCK-PC4-24000-Single-288-Pin/dp/B07MD3W585
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)    31 Jan 2020 14:26 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      55 of 89 
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Ta Serg, this is all good info. Any reason for not going for a Ryzen 5? Most of the build lists that I've been looking at (my budget's up to a grand) have been going with that.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   31 Jan 2020 14:47 
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)       56 of 89 
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Absolutely no reason not to. I've currently got an X99 (Intel HEDT, "high end desktop") system with an i7-6800K (6 core, blah blah), and while it's absolutely fine for everything I do, I know that its value will only go down... So last night I caved and ordered a Ryzen 3600 (non X) and an MSI Tomahawk Max, and I'll sell the current bits soon while they still have some decent value. I expect no genuinely visible preformance gains, but it should run cooler and allow me to swap for an 8+ core CPU on the same motherboard in 2-3 years for not much, whereas X99 has been a dead platform for a while.

In terms of which Ryzen CPU, as long as you go for a Zen 2 chip (confusingly, the Ryzen 3xxx CPUs) with at least 6 physical cores, there isn't much difference for most users. The 3600 is the sweet spot, as you go up the range you gain barely a few percent in games or "normal use", BUT you do gain in direct proportion if you run tasks that parallelise well - encoding, compression, maybe compiling, etc. Are the extra cores and parallel preformance worth it? That's a question only you can answer!

The 3600X and the 3600 offer, for most intents and proposes, the same performance. The 95W vs 65W TDP ratings are hugely misleading - they can both easily end up drawing closer to 100W. What Ryzen essentially does is, working with the motherboard, try to clock up one or more cores (depending on the nature of the load) as much as it can until it hits thermal or power limits.

This explains it all far better than I could:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3491-explaining-precision-boost-overdrive-benchmarks-auto-oc

Basically:
- get a Ryzen 3xxx with as many cores as you think you need / can afford, depending on your kind of workload
- get a good cooler (hooooje air, or decent water AIO)
- pick a motherboard that has a decent power delivery system (the B450 is perfectly decent, unless you want/need the extra features from one of the better chipsets); if you're going for a 3900X or 3950X you might as well get the top X570 chipset though. Yeah, lol, the prices...
- get decent RAM; Ryzen loves fast RAM, 3600MHz is a great point, some modules easily overclock to that too, a cheaper option (like the ones I linked to)

That's it, really. The RX5700 is a pretty darn good choice for a GPU. The Sapphire Pulse and Powecolor Red Devil are, AFAIK, pretty much the best choices in terms of quality, cooling, etc.

Something like this, plus case, PSU, cooler and whatever else you need:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cM9Lwh
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   31 Jan 2020 15:01 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      57 of 89 
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95W vs 65W TDP ratings are hugely misleading

Do you know if this is true 'across the board', or just for those two particular cpus? I go for the lower TDP models because they're easier to keep cool with minimal fannage, and less power usage is good.

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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   31 Jan 2020 15:22 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      58 of 89 
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I think they best thing I can say is "it depends". A lower TDP chip is definitely designed and binned to draw less power to reach whatever speed it's rated at, but if you give it enough cooling and the motherboard can supply enough current, it'll draw more and clock itself higher, up to a limit. As the lower chips have fewer enabled cores and lower max clock limits, it follows that they'll draw less power and keep cooler.

I don't think any of them will actually exceed their rated maximum clock (unless you fiddle with the overclocking settings), but better cooling and power delivery should mean they can get more cores higher for longer.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   31 Jan 2020 19:55 
 To:  Lucy (X3N0PH0N)      59 of 89 
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Still rocking the dial up?

Hi, btw. Welsh cake?
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