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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42505.32 In reply to 42505.30 
Apropos not very much, I've always loved the fact that 'proof' was the extent to which spirits impeded the ignition of gunpowder. Imagine all those experiments gone wrong with Poitín.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
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42505.33 
Boy on floor gaffe = hung parliament territory?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.34 In reply to 42505.33 
Nope. Tory majority still. No one gives a fuck unfortunately.
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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.35 In reply to 42505.33 
I agree with Ant, unfortunately. The Tories won some time ago by pressing home the myth that they will make Brexit go away. Labour's more rational approach hasn't the same strength.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  Manthorp     
42505.36 In reply to 42505.35 
The media pile-on hasn't helped, has it.
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 From:  Matt  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
42505.37 In reply to 42505.34 
Not that they only don't give a fuck, they are also claiming it is fake despite the hospital already apologising for the mistreatment of the boy.

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.38 In reply to 42505.36 
The media pile-on has to be experienced to be believed. BBC News has given up all pretence of impartiality (although obviously they do actually pretend to be impartial) and whenever possible they lead on almost unchallenged anti-labour stories. Often these are padded out with a piece-to-camera by Laura Kuenssberg whose journalism consists mainly of incisive statements such as 'there is no doubt that...' followed by some contentious claim that Corbyn is, for instance, a liability to Labour's electoral chances. Her evidence is commonly that 'this is what one hears on the doorsteps...' which meaningless anecdotal evidence is exactly what Tory politicians have told her - or she has cleverly thought up with her own brain. This is an almost verbatim account of what she said on the BBC prime 6 o'clock news today.

It's why I prefer alternative news sources in the UK. Channel 4 is a commercial channel but was established with public funding and has a charter that includes due-impartiality in news reportage. It is far better than the BBC but has recently been threatened by the Tory Party. They held a leaders debate on the environment that Johnson and Farage wouldn't attend. Channel 4 empty-seated them with melting ice-sculptures. I even prefer sources like Sky News, because at least they aren't pretending to be even handed.  
never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  Matt     
42505.39 In reply to 42505.37 
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trolls-sock-puppets-and-useful-idiots-an-anatomy-of-an-election-disinformation-campaign/
 
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The failure to realise that hiding your face does not make you invisible, or that stealing a reporter’s phone does not make the report go away, suggests that – under pressure – the leader of the Conservative Party has the social cognitive abilities of a four-year-old.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.40 In reply to 42505.39 
And the sad thing is that it probably won't make a damn bit of difference. (Nice article btw).

Stupidity, lies, dirty tricks and exploitation have been the mechanics of power since forever, but the management of this has been a particular skill of the Labour party in the C20th and C21st starting with Jim Callaghan and finding its champion in Neil Kinnock. Whether things would have changed with John Smith is a moot point, but they certainly didn't with Tony Blair. I'm afraid it's quite understandable if Boris Johnson follows the parallel evolution of Trumpism. It's too depressing to think about. 

If you ever want to find out about how Kinnock set about stamping out any success left wing politics might have had in modern government in the UK, try Googling Lol Duffy and the tragedy that ended with Angela Eagle becoming a high flyer in the party.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.41 In reply to 42505.39 
So you're saying Boris Johnson is one of those people who perform better under pressure...
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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42505.42 In reply to 42505.36 
No, it really hasn't. The BBC's lead political correspondent, Laura Kuenssberg, in particular, has been openly partisan. Whilst it may serve her short term interests, in the long term, it may come bite her in the bum.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  Matt     
42505.43 In reply to 42505.37 
My twitter handle made the national news in that particular scrum, when a friend - passing on the shit that was going down on FB - was accused of being a right wing sock puppet.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42505.44 In reply to 42505.40 
Yeah, I don't know the gory details of their past missteps, but I prefer to blame "left wing politics" becoming the persona non grata / third rail of certain, um 'democracies' (e.g. US, UK, and yes, Canada), on media conglomeration, and the rise of billionaire feudalism, at the expense of all life on earth (eventually... soon -ish). This UK GE, and the USian impeachment process, are both part and parcel of an existential struggle between human greed and human survival --> two go in, one comes out. And I'm fucking scared.  :-@
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  graphitone     
42505.45 In reply to 42505.19 
Hard to call really. Scotland is fairly well split down the middle on the independence question, and the vast majority can't see past that when evaluating Sturgeon.

At a place I worked around the time of the last indy ref i heard colleagues (mostly retirement age men) who were diehard unionists and idiots go on about how 'she's definitely shagging Salmond' and practically in the same breath say 'bet she's a fucking lesbian'.

They were also out and out racists, which was pleasant. Two of the old guys (we're talking in their 70s here) got sacked eventually for having a full on fisticuffs session (including one of them vaulting over the customer service desk to land a punch on the other :'D ), I'm not sure of the exact reason why it started but it was probably football related.


Apart from that she's got mixed reviews really. Anyone against independence focuses solely on the areas that are not going so well (mainly NHS and the, thankfully now dropped, 'named person scheme' where every child was to be appointed a named 'responsible adult' contact point with pretty ill defined reasoning and powers involved), where as those who are ambivolent or for independence I think generally think she's doing an OK job. Doing well in some areas, pish in others.

They've been in power for quite some time up here now, I think they've had to learn a hell of a lot in fairly short space of time and on the whole I think they're doing OK. I'll be voting SNP tomorrow, because a) I hate the tories and b) Scottish Labour is dead*. Their policies are largely in line with my views (certainly more so than New Labour, but not as much as Corbyn's Labour (which I don't agree with all of either)).


*they died around 1998 when they brought in devolution and it was revealed how much contempt Scottish Labour had for, well, Scotland. It just took a decade for the corpse to stop moving.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
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42505.46 
Anecdotally, big turnout, looking a lot closer than just a couple of days ago.
“Tim Hortons is launching a new ad about how Gretzky first met Horton — and the story behind it is fascinating”
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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42505.47 
Exit poll predicting an 86 seat Conservative majority. :'(
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 From:  koswix  
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42505.48 
Bit of a shitter for you lot, eh?

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  koswix     
42505.49 In reply to 42505.48 
If Scotland gets another referendum (in spite of Johnson's implacable resistance), votes for independence, splits off the UK, and rejoins the EU, I wonder how citizenship and residency will be dealt with.
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42505.50 In reply to 42505.49 
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If Scotland gets another referendum (in spite of Johnson's implacable resistance) 
Rather than asking the UK Government for a legally binding referendum and getting refused, I have a theory the Scottish Government will get round it by somehow holding an advisory referendum instead. That'd be fucking hilarious.

Kenny
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)  
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)     
42505.51 In reply to 42505.50 
And as ever, I'll re-iterate my belief that it would all be a lot easier if England elected to leave the United Kingdom if it wants to leave the EU.

Kenny
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