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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42499.21 In reply to 42499.20 
Indeed. There are plenty of supposedly top-notch movies that would be no better than the dross if it wasn't for shed-loads of cash and better acting. As my first witness I call Interstellar which was launched as some sort of high-concept equivalent to 2001 A Space Odyssey. Well, tbh I have my doubts about 2001 other than it being a being a pretty amazing feast of visuals, but Interstellar is a definite stinker plot-wise. It has all the hallmarks: plenty of clever scenes, a big bag of ideas, but a resolution that is so fuzzy and blurry in its smoke and mirrors nonsense that they might as well have had Gandalph appear, wave a wand and declare that it's all OK now. When I look at the serious debates around nonsense like this or the mangled Reader's Digest philosophy of something like Arrival, I can't help but notice the contempt poured on a film like Jupiter Ascending which never aspired to being more than entertainment.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.22 In reply to 42499.21 
Interstellar was hilariously bad. I just started watching Nolan's Dunkirk which, hopefully will continue along a more grounded (/believable) track. Granted it is history-based fiction rather than speculative.
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.23 In reply to 42499.19 
I've haven't done the sums for a while, but my novel Jackdaw - which, I make no bones, is a pot-boiler; but, I hope, a tolerably good pot-boiler - had made me £1,300 about a year ago, even given the niggardly percentages of Amazon. I do sincerely thank reviewers ;-). I deliberately wrote it as a movie, but alas, Hollywood has not yet bitten.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Manthorp      
42499.24 In reply to 42499.23 
That's not a bad amount by any reckoning. Particularly when you bear in mind that the average income for people who identify as full-time authors in the UK is in the region of £13,000. 

 
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.25 In reply to 42499.24 
Yours and others' reviews always help. I always get a boost in sales after a review. I don't know how Amazon's algorithms work, but the word gets out somehow.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.26 In reply to 42499.24 
Fuck me, that's dreadful. There must be some very, very bad writers among them.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Manthorp      
42499.27 In reply to 42499.26 
There are some very, very, bad writers amongst the world's best sellers.

Conversely, I know some wonderful writers who hardly scrape pocket money from what they turn out.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.28 In reply to 42499.27 
Mrs.D, a prolific reader has remarked how some recently published* works sport dumbed-down plots and weirdly mangled and ungrammatical Engrish (punctuation optional), seemingly pitched to the modern, sub-literate audience. (I'm content with perusing picture books mostly) Yeah, it's not about the quality.

*actually printed with hard covers, fulsome praise quotes and everything, available in the lieberry.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42499.29 In reply to 42499.28 
Indeed, some of the stuff churned out by even some quite respectable publishers is desperately in need of more editing. It's a sign of the times; most authors earn publishers next to nothing so don't get the editorial oversight they need because it's expensive. Successful authors are often handled with a light touch so as not to jeopardise the money flow - and they often need as much if not more editorial control. Commerce is king in the end. And that explains the endless flow of celebrity shit masquerading as everything from writing for children (hard to find a celebrity who doesn't think they can somehow write for children) to great art.
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.30 In reply to 42499.27 
Dan Brown was the one who floored me. I picked up The da Vinci Code out of a sense of obligation when it first ran away with itself. I wasn't hoping for Austen, but I was expecting basic syntax and the rational use of words.  Don't get me wrong: the narrative rattles along energetically (if predictably) enough: but I'm not sure I've read worse English in any professionally published work.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Manthorp      
42499.31 In reply to 42499.30 
Yeah, I didn't want to mention him because I suppose he is doing something well - and I think you've hit on it. The stories rattle along and are easy to follow. But, my God his writing is utter shit. No grasp of grammar at all: commas in the wrong places, sentences that end in the most implausible. Constant use of pointless and almost meaningless adjectives, adverbs and analogies: the very wealthy man glanced at his watch... Oh and the ridiculous over-use of ellipses... Then there are simple mistakes because he grabs at ideas he thinks he knows. My absolute favourite, 'P a n d o r a is out of her box.' I can't help wondering whether Dan thinks his masterwork, the Da Vinci Code, is actually based on fact rather than being mainly plagiarised from another load of old bunkum (The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail) by authors who were completely taken in by a hoax perpetrated partly for fun, and partly as a bit of self-promotion by some French tricksters.

Incidentally, the earnings figure I quoted of £13000 came from figures the Society of Authors published a couple of years ago and it seems that this applies to writers of novels, short stories and book-length non-fiction work. I'm assured it's possible to earn a great deal more (3 or 4 times as much) if you put the famous novel on the back burner and concentrate on magazine short stories, filler pieces bordering on journalism, journalism, competitions, commercial blogs, etc. etc. That does surprise me and I suspect that in order to achieve this one would need to work very hard indeed.

 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.32 In reply to 42499.31 
Just out of interest, why is there some kind of word filter on P a n d o r a? Doesn't appear to be something I've set in the past so I assume it's forum wide. Maybe/maybe not.
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.33 In reply to 42499.32 
Only Dora The Explorer would know that, and she's out of her box.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  Manthorp      
42499.34 In reply to 42499.33 
Love it!

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Manthorp      
42499.35 In reply to 42499.34 
I do vaguely remember something - but only vaguely, wrote the question posing writer of the post. Perhaps I'll do a search like a fox...
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 From:  milko  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.36 In reply to 42499.32 
I have NO idea. Maybe one of Kenny's mischiefs? Lost to the mists of time.
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.37 In reply to 42499.32 
Possibly an anti-piracy related thing from back in the olden days?

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)     
42499.38 In reply to 42499.37 
Was Dora the Explorer widely torrented back in days of yore?






 
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 From:  Manthorp   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42499.39 In reply to 42499.38 
It's how I get all mine.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
42499.40 In reply to 42499.28 
What did you (and Mrs D) think of Cormac McCarthy's The Road, assuming you've read it?

There's very little punctuation throughout the text, in fact I'm not even sure he uses full stops. I read the whole thing as a work of poetry rather than a novel and quite liked the frankly impersonal way the main characters are referred to; the man and the boy. 




 
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