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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.127 In reply to 42264.126 
'course not, as long as we keep paying them for whatever it is they do then the concerns of the little people can go hang.

If May resigns her post she's only going inflame the haters ire, in that she's stubbornly dug this pit we're all in, but as we're scrabbling for ladders, she walks away from the mess embarrassed and defeated, but away from the spotlight (a la Cameron) leaving the next poor sod to shoulder the burden of blame. Who that particular job falls to is anyone's guess at the moment. The polls I saw were favouring Gove for the role. If that happens and he's unelected or as the result of a GE, I can see more than effigies being dragged through the streets of London.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      
42264.129 In reply to 42264.128 
Just read that Jeremy Hunt is throwing his hat into the I wanna be the PM ring. That sends a cold shiver down my spine.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
 To:  graphitone     
42264.130 In reply to 42264.129 
Who is the least bad candidate?
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      
42264.131 In reply to 42264.130 
Not sure. If it went to a public vote I can see Boris winning it, but this will be an election for leader of an incumbent party so the public don't get a look in. Raab's a strong contender and has been mooted as the person to bring the party back together into cohesion.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      
42264.132 In reply to 42264.130 
Wikipedia says there are only actually four declared candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election#Declared

Out of those, three are definitely arseholes, but I don't think I've ever heard of Rory Stewart, who seems to be a curious character.

He seems to want to focus on rural areas and communities, and doesn't mention any contentious policies.

But at the same time can you trust anyone who chose such a shit photographer for his "look at me being prime-ministerial" photo...?

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.133 In reply to 42264.132 
"I’m a shareholder in far more local community pubs than I would like"

Um...
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.134 In reply to 42264.132 
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a curious character
He does seem curious and the few times I've seen him interviewed he was rather less obnoxious than most Tory MPs. The thing is, I can't help wondering what went wrong in his life, or what character defect he has to end up as a Tory MP at all.
never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42264.135 In reply to 42264.134 

There's a 40 minute BBC4 interview from 3 weeks ago where he apparently discusses it, but it doesn't have a transcript (what happened to BBC accessibility?) and I don't know if I can be arsed listening.

There's also a Guardian article saying:

He shows a Cameronesque irri­tation with government: "Excessive regulation, red tape, all the stuff people complain about. You have got more hope with the Tories of having people who speak that kind of language; you can say that sort of thing without them getting defensive . . . I found student politics when I was at university a bit uncomfortable," he says. "I think the Conservative party has changed and I have changed."

That's from 2010 when he first became an MP, so I am wondering how his position has changed, but also whether he's relevant - the Wikipedia article has been updated and Rory's the only candidate showing zero endorsements.

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.136 In reply to 42264.135 
I gave it a listen (the interview doesn't begin until nearly 6 minutes in). I thought he came across as a bit insubstantial although that may be the style of questioning. I think he's in love with the traditions of a Tory Party that doesn't exist any more.
never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead
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 From:  milko  
 To:  graphitone     
42264.137 In reply to 42264.131 
isn't it up to the Conservative MPs until they get it down to 2 candidates and then all their members get to choose? If he gets that far, it'll be Johnson.

Anyway, think they're up past 10 candidates now, largely incompetent evil scum to a person but some of them are slightly less incompetent than others I suppose.
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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  milko     
42264.138 In reply to 42264.137 
Yes, the 1922 committee has a batshit crazy system in which they poll Party MPs on all the candidates and the one with the lowest score is chucked out. The shortening list is put to MPs every Tuesday and Thursday(?!) until only two are left, and then it's put out to a vote by all members.

As you say, if Johnson gets that far, his win is a given. But the 1922 Committee don't like him, and neither do many MPs - no Remainer Tory would ever vote for him, and neither would any MP who can't countenance the real possibility of a no-deal.

I'd also be really surprised if Osborne's Standard isn't holding something on him, too. So the 'if' in '...if Johnson gets that far' is a real and significant 'if'.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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With two weeks until nominations close, by endorsement counts Hunt and Gove are the top two front-runners. No idea how popular they are with Conservative membership.

28 Jeremy Hunt
25 Michael Gove
24 Boris Johnson
21 Dominic Raab
12 Sajid Javid
8 Matt Hancock
6 Esther McVey
4 Andrea Leadsom
3 Kit Malthouse
3 Rory Stewart

Kit is another unknown to me, he seems boring but relatively inoffensive. No surprise that he's keeping Rory company at the bottom.

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.140 In reply to 42264.139 
I've had £40 riding on Gove to be next Tory leader for over a year. They were offering 12:1 at the time and even though I didn't (and don't) think he's likely to win, I thought they'd got the odds wrong so I took a punt.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
42264.141 In reply to 42264.139 
Malthouse and Stewart are relative unknowns to me as well. Malthouse loned his name to a Brexit proposal that was supposedly better than Theresa May's or the usual ERG solutions, because instead of Unicorns, the Malthouse Compromise was fuelled with Sooty's oofle-dust. Rory Stewart walked 10 times around the world to be a diplomat or something.

The rest are as repellant a bunch of self-promoting, vain, avaricious*, entitled vermin as you could ever hope to avoid.

*because sometimes greedy just won't do.
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 From:  milko  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42264.142 In reply to 42264.141 
Stewart is the guy who made up a good stat during an interview.
 
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Speaking to presenter Emma Barnett, he claimed 80% of the British public supported the prime minister’s Brexit deal. Pressed by Emma as to where he had got the information, he said: “I’m producing a number to try to illustrate what I believe.” He later added, “I totally apologise and I take that back"


A bit fucking dim to think nobody's gonna call him on saying 80%!
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  milko     
42264.143 In reply to 42264.142 
Oh, that was him! What a twat. So that's a full set of candidates lacking any ability whatsoever to be a Prime Minister (along with any compassion for or understanding of the lives most people live). The addition of Cleverly to the list doesn't change that. What a perfect bit of misnaming btw.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42264.144 In reply to 42264.143 
Anyway, Boris has a date with m'learned friends in due course...
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  milko     
42264.145 In reply to 42264.142 
He's now also the guy who put a video on twitter where he tried to make it look like he was holding his phone and recording it himself, but he wasn't and someone else was. Very odd.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42264.146 In reply to 42264.144 
Lying ain't a good look, unless you're an aspirational populist.
“you know things are bad when we’re using a show about chernobyl as escapism”
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