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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    28 Mar 2019 18:30 
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)      114 of 200 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_pay_system

Original estimate & launch date: $310 million, 2015

Current estimate: $2.2 billion, still not working.

Lots of finger-pointing, no accountability.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   28 Mar 2019 21:27 
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Interesting summary on wikipedia - and probably, when it comes to causes, some truth in all of them. I have to say that IBM has been one of the better companies I've worked with. OK, they're money-making bastards like all the rest, but generally, and at a personal level, they do seem to aim at ethical behaviour. 

The "Quality" view, in all its depressing incarnations, is that it's cheaper to do it right first time. That was actually Phil Crosby's mantra. DIRFT. OK, in the real world that's no more than the benefit of hindsight, but when we're looking at public spending project disasters it does at least pay some dividends to look at the early stages. And yep! Nearly an 800% overspend, because correcting errors is bloody expensive.

I can't tell you how much I hate quality management in all its forms. Unless I just did.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   28 Mar 2019 23:51 
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> My guess would be that they are doing almost nothing because these systems are almost incomprehensibly huge and complex with inter-dependencies that are probably not even known in detail, parts dating back to the 1980s, 3rd party elements (e.g. SAP, IBM, BMC, etc etc) that are black boxes and so on. Any modelling of alternatives in anything other than the broadest most superficial ways would be a) very difficult b) very time consuming and c) most important, very expensive.

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to offshore it to the cheapest team of underskilled front-end developers they can find, who will proceed to build it in whatever the current five favourite JavaScript frameworks are. :P
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   29 Mar 2019 00:29 
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Hah! How dare you hint at the truth. Of course, one of these sad truths beginning to come home to some of our captains of finance is that the IT churning machine of Mumbai isn't Bombay any more and that just because you can get something wacked out at a bargain price in some shitty ERP shell, doesn't mean it'll be you who creams off the profit.

The other little nuisance is that it's hard to offshore anything that smells as though it might dish the dirt on UK tax liability. Imagine the annoyance if details of Jacob R M's tax affairs leaked out because his data found its way abroad. So we bring the buggers over here under various schemes. See how those damn natives love a decent wage - I mean it's still cheaper than paying our locals. But then there are complaints about that. I mean, how's an honest exploiter supposed to earn a living?
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    29 Mar 2019 15:44 
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Third time lucky... not.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   29 Mar 2019 16:48 
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Not a fucking clue what happens now.

Ideally a general election, but can't actually see Labour winning that in the current climate. Mess.

Even a second referendum would probably result in a Leave vote again.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    29 Mar 2019 17:00 
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Current polls have stay ahead.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    29 Mar 2019 17:52 
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A mass of protestors ranging from British far-right activists through to Trump-voting Americans and French supporters of a ‘Frexit’ and others were among those who have been attending a Ukip event outside the House of Parliament “sponsored”, in the party’s words, by Tommy Robinson.

 :-((

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 From:  milko   29 Mar 2019 18:27 
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thing with a second GE is that the media has to show a modicum of even-handedness with their reporting, by law. So last time there was a GE all the predictions were for a Tory whitewash and we know how that worked out. This time Labour aren't starting from so far back, despite the effort of the Tinge (or the CUKs as they now want to call themselves for some reason). I mean, it's still pretty grim, but there's a little hope.  
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   29 Mar 2019 18:32 
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)      123 of 200 
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Well obviously you switch from Mumbaikars to Romanians - they have paler skin, closer accents, less alien names, and of course it wont be long now until Romania is a full EU member making travel even easier...
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   29 Mar 2019 18:45 
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I can't see anyone winning - Labour and Conservatives have both pissed off so many people, but then no idea how many will still vote for them given the lack of any other option...

What happens if there's another hung parliament but nobody can build enough support to make a coalition?

I'd love it if the country united behind writing "Fuck off all of you" across the boxes and the majority was spoilt ballots.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    29 Mar 2019 18:56 
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Then you'd just have the royal family to run things.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   29 Mar 2019 22:44 
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Those bunch of turds don't give a shit.
 
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 From:  graphitone   31 Mar 2019 15:26 
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'course not, as long as we keep paying them for whatever it is they do then the concerns of the little people can go hang.

If May resigns her post she's only going inflame the haters ire, in that she's stubbornly dug this pit we're all in, but as we're scrabbling for ladders, she walks away from the mess embarrassed and defeated, but away from the spotlight (a la Cameron) leaving the next poor sod to shoulder the burden of blame. Who that particular job falls to is anyone's guess at the moment. The polls I saw were favouring Gove for the role. If that happens and he's unelected or as the result of a GE, I can see more than effigies being dragged through the streets of London.


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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    24 May 2019 14:41 
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 From:  graphitone   24 May 2019 17:17 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       129 of 200 
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Just read that Jeremy Hunt is throwing his hat into the I wanna be the PM ring. That sends a cold shiver down my spine.


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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    24 May 2019 18:42 
 To:  graphitone      130 of 200 
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Who is the least bad candidate?
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 From:  graphitone   24 May 2019 19:08 
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Not sure. If it went to a public vote I can see Boris winning it, but this will be an election for leader of an incumbent party so the public don't get a look in. Raab's a strong contender and has been mooted as the person to bring the party back together into cohesion.


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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   24 May 2019 20:38 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       132 of 200 
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Wikipedia says there are only actually four declared candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election#Declared

Out of those, three are definitely arseholes, but I don't think I've ever heard of Rory Stewart, who seems to be a curious character.

He seems to want to focus on rural areas and communities, and doesn't mention any contentious policies.

But at the same time can you trust anyone who chose such a shit photographer for his "look at me being prime-ministerial" photo...?
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    24 May 2019 20:54 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      133 of 200 
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"I’m a shareholder in far more local community pubs than I would like"

Um...
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