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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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Don't even fucking bother with this dumbass piece of shit.
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42124.2 
(we watched it to the end)  :-((
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42124.3 In reply to 42124.2 
I haven't read the book, which I'm told is quite good, but I did see the TV series a few years back. I seem to remember losing interest in whether Wickham (or anybody else for that matter) would hang, well before the trial. We recorded all three parts, watched the first, but then left it for weeks and months before bothering with the conclusion.
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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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42124.4 In reply to 42124.3 
The story was ok. The Harlequin Heaving Bosoms got old pretty fast. Don't think I've seen a PD James dramatization before that I truly hated, though "The Children of Men" "Devices and Desires" should've been a warning sign.


Edit: wrong PD James story
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 From:  milko  
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42124.5 In reply to 42124.4 
wait wait wait.

stop.

hang on here. 

*breathes a bit*

are you saying that the film Children of Men is bad? Is that a thing you can say?
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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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42124.6 In reply to 42124.5 
Nope. Children of Men is brilliant movie that we watched some time in past year. I guess I didn't realize it, too is a PD James -- I had it confused with the 1991 mini-series, "Devices and Desires".

It's difficult to reconcile how great COM is with the stupid drivel of DCTP and D&D.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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Well, I wouldn't watch it again. Quite nicely filmed and all that, but...
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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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42124.8 In reply to 42124.7 
It's pretty bleak.
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42124.9 In reply to 42124.8 
...well, that doesn't bother me. I just thought it was more style than substance. 
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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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42124.10 In reply to 42124.9 
Well I thought it had a frightening, prophetic substance.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42124.11 In reply to 42124.10 
And many people agree with you.

My problem is that there was a tremendous seriousness about the film, as you put it, it was pretty bleak, but also a total vagueness as to what it was being prophetic about. If it was a metaphor for our lives, then neither was I certain what it was supposed to be a metaphor for. To put it bluntly, the Day After Tomorrow, is a prophesy that something very bad may happen to us if we fail to address human-caused climate change; Planet of the Apes can be seen as a similar warning about nuclear war in the first first bunch of movies and incautious genetic meddling in the latest. In both cases, notwithstanding the alleged seriousness of the Day After Tomorrow, they are primarily entertainments.

Children of Men announces itself though its style and portentous title as being something more. I'm sorry but unless it's literally a warning that the human race may die out in a bleak and chaotic future by becoming sterile, then it amounts to a wagging finger saying 'carry on like this and things could get pretty bad, you know'.

It isn't that I demand specific details or some kind of precise prediction. I'm not one of those people who point at the calendar and say 'Hah! It's 2018 - Orwell was wrong', but I do like some depth to a story that's set up like an allegory or metaphor. In the original novel, the point (if you like) is the loss of soul and future and this is investigated through development of a society that parodies and emphasises features of our own. It is also, crucially, done through character description and development. This is missing in the film and instead we are given reconstructions of the kind of terrorism and broken down towns that we see in trouble spots around the world combined with rather under-drawn characters working through some kind of story plot.
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 From:  Curated Festive Content (DSMITHHFX)  
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42124.12 In reply to 42124.11 
Well, I didn't take it to be a literal prophesy, any more than I take Dead Island to be a prophesy. It is a bleak commentary on a possible outcome of human folly (in that respect, hardly original). It wasn't nearly as moralizing as Pemberley. So no, I didn't take away any of that. It's really a ripping yarn and an extended chase flick.

I haven't read the book, so your criticisms may be fair on that score as they seem broadly applicable to almost every film adaptation (perhaps you can cite some examples where the film does justice to the book, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I don't read nearly as many books as I watch films).

I think the thing I appreciated about CoM the film was that it was very palpable, even with (or perhaps because of) 'under-drawn' characters: it's not like they're sitting around sipping tea and filling us in on their back stories, they are trying (and generally failing) to survive extreme situations -- I felt the same way about another Cuarón project, Gravity.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42124.13 In reply to 42124.12 
I didn't imagine that you took it as a literal prophesy. Neither do I want to investigate whether it did justice to the book, which is really quite different. I dislike moralising in general. I think any message should emerge from a story rather than be the imposed on it. If a piano lands on somebody walking under a window, I want to learn about motive, stupidity, or whatever, rather than have a health and safety message pushed onto me.

I think that we are in agreement that it's a yarn but perhaps we disagree about the degree of rip. Maybe if it had ripped a bit more for me, I would be prepared to accept what seemed a rather vague commentary of folly. And no, I don't want masses of back story. I do want to care about the characters though - and I didn't.

Interesting that you mention Gravity. I was distinctly underwhelmed by that too, although as with CoM, I acknowledge the style and spectacle.
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42124.14 In reply to 42124.13 
I don't get the imposed moralising bit. Did it make you feel uncomfortable? Are you plotting some sort of dystopia?
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42124.15 In reply to 42124.14 
That was a bit ambiguous in my post. No, I didn't think that CoM moralised - I was trying (badly) to say that I wasn't looking for some big message in it and that in any case, I don't much like films that go in for that. What I have been trying to suggest is that it sets itself up as though it's a prophetic vision chock full of meaning, but it isn't. It only has the style and the looks. 

For me the characters aren't especially engaging and nor is the plot which isn't a particularly original theme. I'm sure many people disagree.
 
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