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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
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42117.1 
So. Phones.

Contract is up at the end of the month so that wonderful time of deliberating for days on end about which phone to get next is due.

Tempted by:
Note 8, Pixel 2 XL or the OnePlus 5T. Probably one of the first two as they've got better cameras.

Anyone got any of those? Really tempted by the Pixel but a little put off by what people say about the screen.

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 From:  Dave!!  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)     
42117.2 In reply to 42117.1 
What do you have at the moment out of interest? And what don't you currently like about it?
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  Dave!!     
42117.3 In reply to 42117.2 
Currently got a Note 4. Not a great deal that I don't like to be honest. Tempted to keep it and SIM only. I'd probably have to get a new battery though as it's losing its capacity now.

But I was playing around with someone's OnePlus in work and it is much smoother than my current one. And the Note 8 and Pixel 2 cameras awesome. Screen on the Note 8 is supposed to be amazing. And I do like the S Pen even though I don't use it much, and SD card is useful.

But all the contract deals for these things are so expensive now.

Grr, I hate making these decisions.

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)     
42117.4 In reply to 42117.3 
Just bought my son the 5T for his birthday specifically to get him out of expensive deals. Haven't looked at it yet, although it's half the price of the others mentioned.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)     
42117.5 In reply to 42117.1 
I'm looking to get a new phone in a few months. Around July. Which means I will have managed 2 years out of my One Plus 3. If it had an SD card slot I would probably keep it until it died or stopped receiving official or community updates.

The camera isn't amazing but I take a separate decent camera on holiday with me anyway.

I'll probably go for the cheapest relatively decent phone that offers 128GB or can take an SD card. Keep being tempted by various Chinese manufacturers, but may just get a One Plus 5T (or 6).

My brother has a Pixel 2 and the camera is very good.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42117.6 In reply to 42117.4 
That's one of the reasons I'm tempted by the 5T, although I'd probably prefer to get one on contact instead of paying up front, unless it works out substantially cheaper.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
42117.7 In reply to 42117.5 
I think I'd need 128GB if I don't have a SD card. The Pixel 2 XL 128GB is just about £900 off contract :O

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 From:  milko  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)     
42117.8 In reply to 42117.7 
I think the idea with Pixels is you offload your pics and vids to the Google Photos storage, which you get x years of unlimited for free. And presumably stream music.
They are Apple-like prices though, yes. The thing I don't like about the other phones is uncertainty over long-term support for OS updates and security. I think Samsung are usually OK at it (at least for security), I don't know about OnePlus.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  milko     
42117.9 In reply to 42117.8 
It's about 18 months since the launch of my One Plus 3 and it's still getting updates. Not as quick as the Pixels, but still fairly good. Though I doubt it will be updated past 2 years or to whatever the next version of Android is. Currently on 8.0.0 so still a step behind.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  milko     
42117.10 In reply to 42117.8 
OnePlus haven't got much of a track record compared to Samsung (beginning of time) and Pixel (wrote the operating system). They supply a custom distribution of Android, OxygenOS which has reached 5.0.1 (stable) and is based on Android 8.0 Oreo, but this is only on the 3T at present. On the 5T you get 4.7.6 which is Android 7.1.1 Nougat.

I've got the ancient OnePlus 2 which is OK for me. That uses Oxygen 3.6.1 (Android 6.0.1) and I'm not holding my breath for an update soon.

It's hard to tell how good they are at support and updates etc. Users and forums vary between belief that they have found the grail and accusations that OnePlus has ruined their lives by forcing them to buy a poisoned phone. My impression is that they are no better or worse than any supplier. Patches come out every so often and if full updates are slow that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Edit: What he said (points up). I sat there without posting this for an hour or so.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  milko     
42117.11 In reply to 42117.8 
Yeah that's true. I could probably live with 64GB but I've recently put a 64GB SD in my Note and the extra space is nice to have.

I think Samsung still do security updates, but I have a custom ROM so not sure. And non-Samsungy ROMs are always much smoother. Another reason I want to try the Pixel.

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 From:  milko  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
42117.12 In reply to 42117.10 
I think these days being on the cutting edge of Android itself isn't quite so important, they've unbundled a lot of the apps so you can use them independently. Prompt security updates is maybe a thing though, depending on how worried you might be about malevolent apps and hackers. Sounds like they're probably alright to me.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  milko     
42117.13 In reply to 42117.12 
Early upgrade time is now. Think I'll go for the 2 XL. Might be time to say bye to Samsung.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
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42117.14 
New phone arrived today. I opened it up and was surprised how small it was compared to my Note 4. Didn't take long for me to work out I'd ordered the Pixel 2 instead of the XL. But surprisingly I like it. The top and bottom bezels are a little big but I'm actually liking having a smaller screen :O

It's super duper quick and the camera is amazing. And I don't have to worry about having a dodgy LG OLED screen that comes on the XL.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
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42117.15 
Oh man, this phone is awesome. Even though it's tiny with its 5" screen. But after updating to 8.1 and Google giving me the AR Core and Stickers, I now have storm troopers and a demogorgon in my kitchen.

https://youtu.be/gFUWRrd5MF4
https://youtu.be/XpEM-Y-ORbg
https://youtu.be/ihVTDfq9P6A

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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)     
42117.16 In reply to 42117.15 
5 inch screen is tiny? My old HTC Desire was about 3.7" :|

Just checked my curent phone (Xperia XZ Premium) and that's 5.46" and is verging on 'too big' (NJ).

You should film an X-wing from a moving car (as the passenger, obv) so that it flies along.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
 To:  koswix     
42117.17 In reply to 42117.16 
It is these days with most being at least 5.5", and then the smaller ones are usually low spec ones. I still have my Desire and apart from being slow I still like it.

Worth a try, although it likes to have a static surface to work on. Not sure if it will work when moving like that.

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  koswix     
42117.18 In reply to 42117.16 
I wasn't happy about going to the 5.5" One Plus 3. It's too big for my hands :C

I still remember the first time I saw a Samsung Galaxy Note in the wild. I thought it looked truly ridiculous. It had a 5.3" screen.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
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42117.19 In reply to 42117.18 
People used to think I was crazy buying phones as big as 3.8" :O When I went to my Note 2 with a 5.5" screen everyone thought I was MAD. Except one girl in a house where I was fitting a kitchen who thought it was cool. And 5.7", craziness.

I was expecting to go to a larger 6" (NJ) but this 5" screen is actually much easier to hold and use.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)  
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42117.20 
And this is the first phone I actually don't want to root. Except one thing: ads. Is there a way to remove them without rooting?

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