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 From:  Very Stable Genius (DSMITHHFX)  
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This is (I think) the third Guillermo del Toro film I've seen,not counting two Hellboys, the first two being Pan's Labyrinth (captivating) and the aptly-titled Crimson Peak (crimson as in blood-drenched). This one's quite different and features some of the lyricism of Pan, very little horror (the monsters are all human), and extensive stylish and humorous quotes from past eras in Hollywood and early television (it even has a clip from Mister Ed!). Well worth seeing. A cat is eaten.
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 From:  Very Stable Genius (DSMITHHFX)  
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not counting two Hellboys


Interesting conceptual link to Hellboy (dunno why this hadn't occurred to me before):

https://screenrant.com/shape-of-water-hellboy-prequel-connections/

(may contain spoilers)

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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I haven't seen it yet, but what did surprise me was just how many of his films I have seen, without doing a sort of GdT fanboy thing: at least not intentionally. Apart from Shape of Water, I haven't seen Mimic (I don't think I've seen it. What I watched late at night in a drunken stupor as a feckless youth doesn't count) and a couple of his very early short pieces.

I really like the way that he isn't shy of handling both really serious philosophical/political ideas and super-popular blockbuster stuff, and mixing the two up. For my money he does it much better than many others.
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 From:  Very Stable Genius (DSMITHHFX)  
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I guess I forgot (or never knew) he did Mimic. So that would be the first GdT film I've seen. Interesting to compare his approach to Tarantino, who possesses a similar mastery of film vocabularly and history, yet seems unable to transcend his own penchant for silliness.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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I kind of agree. Pulp fiction is almost completely sure-footed but there are just a few points where he gets carried away. For instance, the adrenaline shot is very funny but belongs in a different film because it just manages to overdo the implausibility - it breaks the (admittedly silly) science of Pulp Fiction's world. It would be fine in Kill Bill. 

On the other hand, I kind of disagree, in that I like his silliness and it's quite useful in films like Inglourious basterds.
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 From:  Very Stable Genius (DSMITHHFX)  
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Yeah, I like his silliness too, but it is a limitation.
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 From:  Laurence Burke (LAURENCE_BURKE)  
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I also like his silliness to friend.

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