PC lights on but nobody home

From:	milko	20 Jul 2015 20:39
To:	ALL	1 of 60

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Yesterday, I did some photo editing, and then turned off my PC. Now, it won't turn back on. The lights on the motherboard and an external card reader plugged into the USB are lit up. But the power switch is doing nothing at all. Is it possible the PSU can be faulty given that at least some power is getting through? Any other trees I could bark up? There's a power button on the motherboard itself, which has a similarly nothing-at-all result, even though it too is lit up. I've removed all the USB devices and that's not changed anything either. Slightly worried I'll go buy a new PSU only to discover the motherboard's died or something.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	20 Jul 2015 20:48
To:	milko	2 of 60

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Quick and easy way to test the PSU, if you're careful, is to unplug it from the motherboard, and probably everything else, get a piece of wire and insert one end into the plug with the green wire, the other end into a black one. That should make the PSU turn on, fan etc. A

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	20 Jul 2015 21:21
To:	milko	3 of 60

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If that doesn't work I suggest, in no particular order: Updating from XP; Reseating the RAM; Upgrading the PSU; Shouting, screaming, and thumping the keyboard. bastard by name bastard by nature

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From:	milko	20 Jul 2015 23:10
To:	ANT_THOMAS	4 of 60

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Hmm. I don't really have any wire and my case design is such that unplugging everything might not actually be that quick. But I suppose I may have to do it anyhow. As for Truffy's ideas. I could try reseating something. I dunno shouldn't it beep or something for those? Or at least spin up some fans?

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	20 Jul 2015 23:12
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A paperclip is apparently good enough. A

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From:	william (WILLIAMA)	21 Jul 2015 08:57
To:	milko	6 of 60

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If you can get hold of a multimeter, it's reasonably easy to test a power supply. Here's a~~n irritating man~~ ~~demonstrating~~ tutorial on U-tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7YMUcMjbw I had a very similar situation to yours a few months back and it turned out to be my motherboard that had failed even though the fans etc. were spinning up every so often. Multimeters are cheap(ish) from somewhere like Maplins and when it's done you have a multimeter for next time. never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 12:31
To:	william (WILLIAMA)	7 of 60

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I do have a multimeter! I am going to do the 'taking out and reseating one a time' thing with the RAM this evening as well.

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	21 Jul 2015 15:13
To:	william (WILLIAMA)	8 of 60

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I kind of need to test my pc power outlet while the air conditioning is running on the same circuit to see if that's maybe been causing some of my problems, but I probably need a nortamericano to explain how to do that ---- "Giant pig hot air balloon crashes after tangling with a cowboy-shaped one"

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From:	william (WILLIAMA)	21 Jul 2015 15:39
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	9 of 60

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Never mind all that. What you really have to beware of is finding a fault with your kit, replacing some parts and then being left with some perfectly good bits and pieces. If that happens, a little voice starts saying 'you could build a server with that. Go on, you know you want to' Look, you've got the CPU and memory - and that old case in the attic - all you need is a cheap motherboard and...' and before you know it you're £lots ($lots) out of pocket and somehow you have more bits left over than you started with. As for the air conditioning thing: I imagine a multimeter with its probes stuck in a molex would show any spike or drop out associated with a switching event. You'd have to sit and watch it as the timer or thermostat or whatever is tripped. never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	21 Jul 2015 15:53
To:	william (WILLIAMA)	10 of 60

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And I've got the dusty old boxes of kit stacked around my midden to prove it! At least I tossed a couple of old pc's a few months ago. Pretty sure I've still got a fucking huge old 8-bay server tower case stored in the back room. I'm actually using MrsD.'s old sff pc as a development server, also driving a scanner from an xp virtualbox on it. ---- "Giant pig hot air balloon crashes after tangling with a cowboy-shaped one"

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 21:06
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Ok. Paperclip and multimeter on the go. It seems to only be giving 3.3V out of the 12V line. That's broke then is it? Only thing that makes me doubt it is that maybe it has some clever "keep volts low if there is no load" thing going on? It's quite a fancy PSU (BeQuiet P8 1200W that I got second hand and had running for a couple of years now) so I wouldn't be that surprised. It's just the rather precise 3.3 that gives me that thought. The 5V line is still 5V. I also tried pulling the RAM and the graphics card out, that didn't help. Still no life, and none of the board's diagnostic LEDs are coming up. Reset the CMOS too, no help.

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From:	koswix	21 Jul 2015 21:26
To:	milko	12 of 60

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The psu sends a power_good signal to the motherboard once voltages are all in range, without that signal the motherboard won't boot up. If you really are getting only 3.3v on the 12v line then that would be an issue and prevent the pc from booting. Are you definitely checking the 12v pin? What about the disk drive power connectors, is it giving 3.3v there too? As you say, 3.3v is a very specificly wrong figure to get. ▪ ┌────┐ ┌────┐ │ │ │ │ ▪ │ └────┘ │ │ ──┐ ┌── │ ▪ ┌──────┤ ▪ ▪ │ ┌┘ │ │ ▪ ┌─┤ └──┐ │ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ ││ ││ │ ┌─┐ │ │ └─┼┤ └┴─┴───┘ │ │ │ ─┘│ │ │ │ ┌──────┐ └┬──────────┘ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └───┘ └───┘ If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 21:57
To:	koswix	13 of 60

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My PSU is fully modular apart from the motherboard cable. So that's in there with the paperclip, and then I've plugged in a HDD cable to get the molex power socket. It's got yellow, 2x black, and red cables. With black from the multimeter into black on the molex, and red into red I get 5v as (I think) I should. Red into yellow I get 3.3v. There's no other cables (other than the one going to the wall!) connected at all. Is any of that me being a doofus? I am prepared to accept the possibility as I aren't very experienced with electrickery.

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 22:01
To:	milko	14 of 60

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Oh hello. Different cable (same type) into different socket on the PSU and it reads 12.5V. Hffffffff.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	21 Jul 2015 22:08
To:	milko	15 of 60

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I read a few things yesterday saying that some PSUs do need a load, might be worth plugging in an optical drive and testing some more. Check what's coming out of the ATX connector since that's what is actually powering the motherboard. A

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 22:31
To:	ANT_THOMAS	16 of 60

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Yeah, ATX is showing 3/5/12 as it should. Well, 12.5. Maybe one duff HDD molex cable was enough to cause this, plugging the other into the same bit works as well for the case fan. Weird. Time to put it all back together.

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 22:55
To:	milko	17 of 60

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And... Still nothing ffs. Going to just smash it all with a hammer. Think Truffy had something about that in his advice.

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From:	william (WILLIAMA)	21 Jul 2015 23:02
To:	milko	18 of 60

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Have you got an old/another PC tucked away somewhere, as in try powering it with your BeQuiet PSU or try powering your current PC from the other PSU? The BeQuiet does look as though it has all sorts of fancy dohickeys and magic electric juju inside. Do you have a hard drive (not solid state) you can use as a load i.e. plug in directly? I think these need 12V to spin up which would show whether it's supplying enough. Edit: OK, I see you've moved on beyond this. Serves me right for taking a break to watch the telly before clicking on post. never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 23:13
To:	william (WILLIAMA)	19 of 60

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Ha. Yes. I am a bit bereft of spare things (small flat plus baby means clear outs were enforced) but I'm back to being flummoxed now anyway.

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From:	milko	21 Jul 2015 23:39
To:	milko	20 of 60

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Rrrgh. So I started again thusly: PSU connected to nothing, ATX shorted with paperclip. Powers on, volts read as they should. Plugged in the 'other' motherboard power (that fires up the CPU I think) and powered up, volts read as they should. Plugged in PCIe for the graphics, volts all good. Plugged in AIO CPU cooler power, volts all good. Plugged in hard drives power, NOTHING. Hello. Went back a step, nothing. Mixed and matched a few steps, nothing. Went back to just PSU With ATX cabLe shorted, nothing. flings hands in the air goes to bed

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