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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   23 May 2015 12:50 
 To:  fixrman      36 of 58 
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Surely it's essential for the cops to carry guns if everyone else is?

But I'm guessing it's the training that's the problem.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    23 May 2015 21:12 
 To:  fixrman      37 of 58 
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they are all stupid cops. That is why cops should not have access to riot guns and military equipment unless they are trained by the military on how to use it, when to use it and why NOT to use it. Same with their Glock 19s, Berettas, and Rugers.

They didn't shoot him. They broke his neck. Admittedly, I'm not sure how they did it; but if they used a gun then I agree they should wait until the US military (that bedrock of not over-reacting) trains them to do it properly.

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 From:  milko   23 May 2015 22:49 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       38 of 58 
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I read, but cannot for the life of me remember where, something about how the institutionalised racism of the US police does indeed include affecting the way their black cops deal with black citizens. It's a messed up world and no mistake.

What're the Swiss like? I suppose it's headline news when someone crosses the street without waiting for the green man over there. The Metropolitan Police are hardly paragons of virtue with this sort of thing, I'm just glad we don't yet need to arm them all.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   24 May 2015 01:19 
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"Admittedly, I'm not sure how they did it"

:'-(

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    24 May 2015 06:30 
 To:  milko      40 of 58 
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The Swiss police use fines as revenue generation
(But since two weeks' annual military duty is compulsory for all Swiss men, the chances are that the police are trained by the military by actually being in it part-time)

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 From:  fixrman   25 May 2015 13:50 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      41 of 58 
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Surely it's essential for the cops to carry guns if everyone else is?

Aye. It is old (true) argument: If we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

 

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it's the training that's the problem.

Perzactly. Let's face it, just like in any area: There are good cops and bad cops. Good bankers, bad bankers, good lawyers and bad lawyers. Training would probably weed out the yahoos right off.

 
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 From:  fixrman   25 May 2015 14:01 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       42 of 58 
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I know they didn't shoot him. The military also could train police departments how to properly restrain a suspect or perpetrator. The cops let their anger get in the way of common sense. It isn't the first time cops have mishandled and killed a suspect.
 
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    25 May 2015 15:07 
 To:  fixrman      43 of 58 
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The military also could train police departments how to properly restrain a suspect or perpetrator. 

Is there any reason to believe that the military are any better than the police in this regard?

quote: fixrman
The cops let their anger get in the way of common sense. It isn't the first time cops have mishandled and killed a suspect.

And therein lies the rub. Anger management. Seems less like a training problem than a personality problem.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   25 May 2015 15:57 
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LMGTFY

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    25 May 2015 18:14 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      45 of 58 
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LMGTFY

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   25 May 2015 18:28 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       46 of 58 
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    25 May 2015 21:31 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      47 of 58 
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I shall drink tea from it each day, and think of you.

Then I will piss it out, and think of you.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    25 May 2015 21:42 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       48 of 58 
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BTW & FWIW, the reason IDGAS is the same reason IDGAS about the POTUS elections; it makes no frikkin' difference one way or the other. There's a real world out there, and for most of us it's the one we can interact with, influence, and be influenced by.

What copz'n'blax in the US do to each other is little more than a sideshow.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   26 May 2015 00:33 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       49 of 58 
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But YDGAS. You started this thread. Duh. I'm thinking you got self-esteem issues.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    26 May 2015 10:52 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      50 of 58 
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I was really just commenting on what was really just a stupid, inflammatory headline on the BBC website. I have to admit that I didn't actually read the article (too long & boring). So, no, IRDGAS.

You may or may not be right about the self-esteem issues, I haven't given it any thought.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   26 May 2015 16:01 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       51 of 58 
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Why do you think it's stupid and inflammatory?

"What copz'n'blax in the US do to each other"

The issue is what cops (including black cops, as you noted) do to blacks.

Blacks don't really do anything to cops. There's no equivalency, so your phrasing is completely senseless.

I think you're actually pretty smart, so I can't understand why you resent the struggles of black people and news reporting about it. If you don't like international news, and you don't want to know what's going on in the world, nobody is forcing you to read about it. Bigotry can be a sign of insecurity.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)    26 May 2015 16:26 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      52 of 58 
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It's rather like asking 'when did you stop beating your wife?', and it simplifies a complex issue suggesting that all police are bigots. I reality, I suspect that most are not, but are tainted by the few bad apples. Similarly, I suspect that a majority of blacks are law-abiding.

As for "blacks not really doing anything to cops", I'll take your word for it. I'm sure you know what you're talking about.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   26 May 2015 16:57 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       53 of 58 
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Institutional racism.

It's a thing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/05/26/toronto-police-chief-mark-saunders-secret-carding-report.html

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 From:  fixrman   27 May 2015 02:12 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)       54 of 58 
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Is there any reason to believe that the military are any better than the police in this regard?

Yes.

 

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And therein lies the rub. Anger management. Seems less like a training problem than a personality problem.

Actually its both.

 
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 From:  fixrman   27 May 2015 02:17 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      55 of 58 
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Good commentary. Will you speak to the rest of the bigots in the U.S., please?
 
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