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 From:  koswix  
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39653.1 
Anyone got any problems at work they want to ask about? I have an interview tomorrow for Citizens Advice and I'm totally out of practice of answering actual real questions.



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  johngti_mk-ii  
 To:  koswix     
39653.2 In reply to 39653.1 
Can I start a case for constructive dismissal even though I have a new job to go to?

Add THE VETOES to your myspace friends!!! Pretty please :D

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 From:  koswix  
 To:  johngti_mk-ii     
39653.3 In reply to 39653.2 

You can, the new job has no bearing on the treatment by your current employer.

 

However it's almost impossible to win a constructive dismissal case if you work out a notice period - you basically have to just quit and refuse to go back in to prove that the conditions were bad enough to be constructive dismissal.




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  koswix     
39653.4 In reply to 39653.1 
Can I stay in bed and say fuck work if I'm really, really tired?


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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
39653.5 In reply to 39653.4 

Yes.

 

You may get sacked, though.




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Dan (HERMAND)  
 To:  koswix     
39653.6 In reply to 39653.5 
Should I bang my boss?
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  koswix     
39653.7 In reply to 39653.3 
quote:
the new job has no bearing on the treatment by your current employer
although it may be taken into account if you win your case and the tribunal comes to assess an award, because the potential loss of earnings will be reduced.
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Dan (HERMAND)     
39653.8 In reply to 39653.6 
Only if you padlock her gates first.



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)     
39653.9 In reply to 39653.7 

That applies only to a loss of earnings award.

 

Any compensation award on other grounds would be unaffected, so if John argued any form of discrimination (for instance) he would receive an amount of compensation for that which is separate to the calculation for loss of earnings (discrimination claims have no upper limit. yay discrimination!)

 

It used to be the case that the reason for leaving had to be entirely because of the constructive dismissal, but the Court of Appeal ruled in Nottinghamshire County Council v Meikle that the constructive dismissal only had to form some part of the reason for leaving - hence why John can jump ship to another employer and still claim constructive dismissal.

 

That's not to say he'd win, of course. Constructive Dismissal is a right bitch to prove.




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  johngti_mk-ii  
 To:  koswix     
39653.10 In reply to 39653.9 
I ask the best questions!

Add THE VETOES to your myspace friends!!! Pretty please :D

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  koswix     
39653.11 In reply to 39653.1 
Simple one: does an employee have to work a notice period if they want to quit? If so, what are the penalties/outcomes of not doing so?
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
39653.12 In reply to 39653.11 

In order for the contract of employment to remain enforceable, yes.

 

No obviously the main part of the contract (i.e. going to work) is coming to an end anyway, so you wouldn't lose out much on that front. But there are other parts of the contract which you would lose out on, such as payment for holidays you have accrued but not taken*.

 

Also any benefits which might have a run on period, like private healthcare, or any other perks that remain after leaving.

 

Basically if you don't give notice you have breached your contract and have no right to receive any of the benefits of it**.

 

 

 

(*Anything above the statutory minimum, anyway)
(**except for payment for the work you have done up to the point you bugger off)




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  koswix     
39653.13 In reply to 39653.12 
Thanks (hug)
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
39653.14 In reply to 39653.13 

Also, it's just fucking polite :@

 

 

 

This is actually really helpful, if anyone else can think of random questions I'd really appreciate it. Although I *think* I know the answer to most of these, it's useful to be prompted on a subject so i can check it and see what's changed in the last 18 months or so since I went mental.




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  koswix     
39653.15 In reply to 39653.14 
Are you still mental?
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
39653.16 In reply to 39653.15 
Mostly.



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  patch  
 To:  koswix     
39653.17 In reply to 39653.1 
Is there a minimum amount of notice that I have to give my employers if I want to book a day off?
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  patch     
39653.18 In reply to 39653.17 

Depends on your contract. Also, your employer doesn't have to give you any specific days off and can in fact tell you when you're off instead.

 

The law only says you have to have a minimum of 5.6 weeks off a year, but not when you get them :(




                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  patch  
 To:  koswix     
39653.19 In reply to 39653.18 

5.6 weeks? Really? A lot of places only offer 22 or 23 days. Though it would explain why the NHS have generously given me 27 days holiday this year.

 

Or are you including public holidays? If you are, then the NHS are /really/ generous.

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  patch     
39653.20 In reply to 39653.19 

Tends to include bank holidays.

 

I think I get 30 plus bank holidays. But I do work for a university.

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