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 From:  Matt   6 Jan 2009 12:34 
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Has this not been mentioned already?

THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant.


Is there a suitable emoticon for "I don't know how to respond to that"?

doohicky
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 From:  dave (10_ROGUE)   6 Jan 2009 12:49 
 To:  Matt      2 of 13 
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It's ok though, it can only be used if a senior officer believes it to be proportionate. So it would only be used in serious cases, like checking people's refuse or seeing if they are trying to fiddle the local schools admission policy.
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 From:  Kriv   6 Jan 2009 14:59 
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I'm more concerned about the proposals for monitoring and recording emails, texts etc, and they want to outsource this to a 3rd party. Orwellian measures and the complete lack of faith I have with unknowns having access to my personal data.
"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)   6 Jan 2009 15:19 
 To:  Matt      4 of 13 
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Just following in America's footsteps. It's nothing to worry about - just ask President Bush.

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There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
--Mark Twain
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 From:  cynicoid   6 Jan 2009 17:03 
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And those with nefarious intentions will just encrypt all traffic and route through anonymous IP servers (hang on they already do, doh).

 

Thus rendering the whole idea useless in one go.

 

Actually I read somewhere that they intend to do this by infecting EVERY PC with a trojan/virus. The only way I see this possible is via a virus checker update or through windows update.

 

Imagine that, you update your virus checker and it legally installs a government ordered trojan. I'm sure though that not long after there will be 3rd party hacks to remove any infection.
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 From:  Radio   6 Jan 2009 17:35 
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Yeah, but then the government request all IP-logs from the ISPs, and any IP's that haven't pinged back as 'trojan successfully installed and performing' will be investigated.
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 From:  JonCooper   6 Jan 2009 17:59 
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it's not a new thing, just getting a bit higher profile now ~

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British law already allows police to remotely access computers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, which allows surveillance to "prevent or detect serious crime".
Jon
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 From:  Matt   6 Jan 2009 19:18 
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This new one apparently permits authorities to legally break into suspects homes or office to install bugging devices and software without a warrant, from which evidence obtained by this is admissible in court.

That's the scary bit.

doohicky
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 From:  JonCooper   6 Jan 2009 19:25 
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it's all scary - people have been calling me paranoid for years, now they are starting to see what I was getting at.
Jon
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 From:  Manthorp   6 Jan 2009 20:41 
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people have been calling me paranoid for years


Would that be the people who live in the walls? The ones who pull your hair out at night?
"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951

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 From:  JonCooper   6 Jan 2009 21:43 
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it's mostly those bastards under the bed
and a few out in the shed

 


and who said there was something wrong with my hair?
does it look like someone is pulling it out?
it's ok ... isn't it ??? ...

Jon
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 From:  Manthorp   6 Jan 2009 23:02 
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Jeez... paranoid or what?
"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   9 Jan 2009 15:23 
 To:  Matt      13 of 13 
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That's got to be in contravention of some limp-wristed, barely known, unenforced EU legislation that everyone laughs at (especially in France) though.
some things never change
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