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 From:  Manthorp  
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Forgive me if this is even O.L.D.er than me, but anybody with an interest in the geopolitics of the Middle East ought to read THIS. It gives sharp definition to that generalised sense that the US (& UK) invasion and occupation of Iraq was primarily based on oil - not securing it per se, but maintaining dollar dominance in trading it.

It's worth noting that the reference in the first paragraph of the second section to the Iranian Oil Bourse being 'slated to open in March 2006' has been overtaken by events, or rather by the lack of them: Iran is still vacillating about the opening of the Bourse, presumably because they are aware of the likelihood that it will trigger retaliatory action from the US - or rather, from the agents of the US in the Middle East.

Whether the US would dare to carry out attacks against Iran in the current global (or even domestic US) political climate is moot: that it is dreamt of in their philosophy is in no doubt. In 2005, Philip Giraldi, an ex-CIA operative wrote in Pat Buchanan's American Conservative magazine:

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The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.


The underline is mine. That sentence is a bit of a chiller.

Should I get a blog?

The west wanted democracy in the middle east, & that's exactly what it got. Now we will see whether this talk about democracy is really genuine. When you start applying conditions to democracy, it no longer remains a true democracy.

Adil Haneef, commenting in the Guardian on Hamas' victory in the Palestinian elections 26/01/06

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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.2 In reply to 29733.1 
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Should I get a blog?


nah, that was very interesting, a perspective I hadn't heard before, and the first time I've seen any use for The Euro.

Jon
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 From:  Linn (INDYLS)  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.3 In reply to 29733.1 
Thanks for that - a thought provoking perspective.  Unfortunately, my knowledge of economics is sadly lacking, so I can't comment, but I am inspired to learn more.
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.4 In reply to 29733.1 

Interesting read.

 

Even more so as it's from an American. Althought it does serve quite well to remind me that I hate economics...



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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.5 In reply to 29733.1 

S'very interesting that. Not sure I believe it's as clear-cut as they present it but it sounds like truth broadly.

 

I need to read it a few more times to digest it proper.


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 From:  Manthorp  
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29733.6 In reply to 29733.5 
It's worth reading around the subject. There's a great deal of agreement about the principles from the various commentators of both the left and the right. Slightly unnerving just how many economists predicted both Iraq and the gathering kerfuffle over Iran. Google for Petroeuro or Iran Bourse.

I think it would be natural for the United States to play a far more dominant role in world affairs, to command and to give orders as to what is to be done. People need that.

Irving Kristol, 'godfather' of neoconservatism

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 From:  388405efit03=1-0 (KABINGER)  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.7 In reply to 29733.1 
You should get a blog ONLY if it were dedicated to all your lusty sexual conquests. Other than that, I think you're right on target. No pun intended.

nihilism: 1. Total rejection of prevailing religious beliefs, moral principles, laws, etc., often from a sense of despair and the belief that life is devoid of meaning. Also more generally (merging with extended use of sense 3): negativity, destructiveness, hostility to accepted beliefs or established institutions. - Oxford English Dictionary

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  388405efit03=1-0 (KABINGER)     
29733.8 In reply to 29733.7 
Curiously, I did actually think of writing something like that. I was going to call it my Autopornography. Really. I know, I'm a sad bastard...

I think it would be natural for the United States to play a far more dominant role in world affairs, to command and to give orders as to what is to be done. People need that.

Irving Kristol, 'godfather' of neoconservatism

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.9 In reply to 29733.8 
Would it have included details of your 1920s experiments in troilism with Alice B Toklas and Gertrude Stein?

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
29733.10 In reply to 29733.9 
It would have gone right back to the begetting years.

I think it would be natural for the United States to play a far more dominant role in world affairs, to command and to give orders as to what is to be done. People need that.

Irving Kristol, 'godfather' of neoconservatism

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 From:  388405efit03=1-0 (KABINGER)  
 To:  Manthorp     
29733.11 In reply to 29733.8 
Pah, you stand to make millions!

nihilism: 1. Total rejection of prevailing religious beliefs, moral principles, laws, etc., often from a sense of despair and the belief that life is devoid of meaning. Also more generally (merging with extended use of sense 3): negativity, destructiveness, hostility to accepted beliefs or established institutions. - Oxford English Dictionary

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  388405efit03=1-0 (KABINGER)     
29733.12 In reply to 29733.11 
I'll put you down for a frotted copy.

I think it would be natural for the United States to play a far more dominant role in world affairs, to command and to give orders as to what is to be done. People need that.

Irving Kristol, 'godfather' of neoconservatism

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