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 From:  koswix   30 Jul 2013 22:00 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      12 of 34 
40601.12 In reply to 40601.11 
I despise Murdoch and all he stands for and represents. Truly, truly hate his empire.

But Sky gave me an internet connection when I had no money and all they wanted was a tenner to connect the line, when BT wanted to charge about £150.


I am a bad moralist :((

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If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   30 Jul 2013 22:23 
 To:  koswix      13 of 34 
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/////// (hugleft) ////////

(tbh I'd cave too in that situation :Y )
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 From:  Gobfounded (YVE)   30 Jul 2013 23:02 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)       14 of 34 
40601.14 In reply to 40601.8 
We waited 6 months from moving into this house, 10 years ago, to finally have a broadband connection. After all this time, it still achieves heady download speeds of 1MB on a good day. It's looking like we're not even a candidate for the HS broadband rollout because some of the village can get 2MB, so we might not qualify. We're only 5 miles from a city and close to an exchange, but still using ancient copper wiring.

I rarely bother clicking links to video.

 


It means something to Owen
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   30 Jul 2013 23:21 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     koswix     ANT_THOMAS      15 of 34 
40601.15 
Weak. Weak. Weak. :@ It's easy to pretend to have principles when they're never actually tested.

You lot could at least copy those poncy twerps who do carbon offsetting and do Murdoch offsetting - for every pound you give him, you have to convince ten people to stop buying/reading the Sun.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   30 Jul 2013 23:24 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      16 of 34 
40601.16 In reply to 40601.15 
Just because you won't get a phoneline. You can't take part in this discussion.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   30 Jul 2013 23:28 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      17 of 34 
40601.17 In reply to 40601.15 
Never claimed not to be weak :Y

Also we don't want them to stop reading the sun. We'll need an easy way to identify them when the time comes.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   30 Jul 2013 23:39 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      18 of 34 
40601.18 In reply to 40601.16 
That's not principles, that's stupidity. :P

I'm proving of Lucy's point about 4G being a viable option - 3G is mostly good enough for browsing and video, so reliable 4G would be more than fine. (Disagree on prices plummeting though; companies will charge what they can get away with.)
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   30 Jul 2013 23:47 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      19 of 34 
40601.19 In reply to 40601.18 
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(Disagree on prices plummeting though; companies will charge what they can get away with.)

While a minority of people care about/want unlimited/lots of data use they can charge what they want and call it a premium feature.

When it's the norm and everyone who currently had broadband wants that then it become a commodity and competition kicks in more fiercely. And 'what companies can get away with' won't be very much.

Although yeah, that relies on there being more than like 3 carriers -_-
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   30 Jul 2013 23:48 
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I might not be remembering right, and things were probably different back then due to lower data usage, but did operators charge extra to use 3G when it first came into service? I don't remember them doing so. Haven't checked lately but I think EE charged a premium, certainly over Orange and T-Mobile.

I have read that when Three start 4G service on 800MHz they won't be charging any extra. Basically if you have a phone that supports it you'll get 4G speeds when it's turned on.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   30 Jul 2013 23:53 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      21 of 34 
40601.21 In reply to 40601.17 
The time will never come whilst so many people receive their education from Murdoch and friends.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   30 Jul 2013 23:59 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      22 of 34 
40601.22 In reply to 40601.20 
You had to be on the right price plan (i.e. a data plan, or with a data add-on, which cost more), and also most places were still charging per-MB for data, until "unlimited (not really)" started taking off.

Any idea how long until Three gets 4G?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   31 Jul 2013 00:07 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      23 of 34 
40601.23 In reply to 40601.22 
Everything is pointing to the end of the year, but no firm date. They've also reduced their 12 month Sim-Only "One Plan" to £15/month. That includes Unlimited data which can be tethered. So when 4G comes along that looks like a very good price.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   31 Jul 2013 00:19 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      24 of 34 
40601.24 In reply to 40601.21 
Aye :((
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)    31 Jul 2013 00:27 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      25 of 34 
40601.25 In reply to 40601.9 
I wish that were true.  They flushed all almost all of the unlimited data plans on mobile over here.  There are the fringe companies like T-Mobile and Sprint still offering it, but it's all a ruse anyway.  After you hit a certain limit they begin to throttle you, how the fuck is that unlimited?

I had to purchase a business class internet here at home to get an uncapped monthly plan!  Good thing I actually had a business at one point!  I get ~25/10 pretty consistently.  I've attached a screenshot from my phone.  Some days I can get around ~50/25 on it!
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)    31 Jul 2013 00:30 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      26 of 34 
40601.26 In reply to 40601.18 
That may be true "over there" but here 3G is truly useless. I think they've either done it on purpose or are using most of the spectrum for something else.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   31 Jul 2013 22:06 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)       27 of 34 
40601.27 In reply to 40601.1 
Who pays for stuff like DNS servers and whatever other stuff is required to keep stuff going? Also I assume over time equipment will need upgrading to meet the demands of increased traffic/connections/PRON!

Mobile networks (maybe not so much now networks seem to be offering unlimited/thousands of texts) charge for sending text messages which I believe don't add any extra overhead to the network, unlike calls/data.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)    1 Aug 2013 01:10 
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      28 of 34 
40601.28 In reply to 40601.27 
I don't think DNS is a good example. The two companies that are best at it provide the service for free.

There's no doubt that there are maintenance costs but the only time I /think/ they would be large is when moving to a new technology.

I heard yesterday that Time Warner Cable is going to raise their modem rental rates from 3.49 to 5.99 and they would make an extra hundred million or so. That's complete bullshit.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   1 Aug 2013 07:38 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)       29 of 34 
40601.29 In reply to 40601.28 
You rent your equipment?

Most ISPs over here send you a free router and don't even want it back when you leave. There was only Be who wanted theirs back when I left. They seem to be generally viewed as disposable.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   1 Aug 2013 08:40 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)       30 of 34 
40601.30 In reply to 40601.28 
Wasn't sure about the DNSs but I think what I meant was is it just lay the cables, etc. and forget about it or are there more costs involved? Staff, electric, the Boss's Ferrari, etc.

We pay far more for our water and that falls out of the sky :O
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)    1 Aug 2013 14:29 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      31 of 34 
40601.31 In reply to 40601.29 
DSL usually provide a free modem, cable makes you rent them.  I personally own my cable modem, but have to rent the modem for my phones.  If you have static IP's they make you use/rent their modem.  It's all a racket that makes them rich while they cry poor to the government. 
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