American Death Spiral Approaches Nadir

From: fixrman25 Jan 2021 03:38
To: Manthorp 39 of 58
That's a bit childish, isn't it - are you that bored?

I made a nice shortbread this afternoon, with berries on, glazed with a nice pot of preserves. Like some with your tea? Maybe a hobby would be good for you.
From: Manthorp25 Jan 2021 12:05
To: fixrman 40 of 58
Shortbread glazed with jam? What that *actual* fuck were you thinking?
From: ANT_THOMAS25 Jan 2021 15:08
To: ALL41 of 58
I love America. The vastly different landscapes, national parks, the different cultures, small towns, big cities, open roads. It's the place I've been to the most over the last few years (pre-pandemic) and loved roadtripping around various places. I have a very tourist POV, since I am exactly that. But enjoyed being there nonetheless.

Could do with visiting the middle!



I've often wondered about making the move, but the politics and lack of decent healthcare have stopped me from looking into it properly.

One thing I keep finding (in the US and UK) is the view that because someone grew up in an under-privileged situation struggling to make ends meet, with very little disposable income, then everyone else should have to experience that. Rather than having the view that since they had it difficult we should try and make life easier for those after us.

Student loans in the US being a prime example at the moment.
Seen a lot of "well, what about me, I've already paid"
Instead of "yeah, we need to make sure future generations aren't lumbered with the level of debt I was"

You could quite easily relate it to any sort of advancements that actually result in progress in society.
Just because that's how it was done in the past and it has cost some people something doesn't mean it should be that way in the future.
From: milko25 Jan 2021 15:54
To: ANT_THOMAS 42 of 58
funnily enough, a lot of the people who want others to 'suffer' as they did (for whatever value of suffer) don't believe in a 100% inheritance tax. 

it reminds me of how often immigrants seem to want to pull up the ladder and have tighter borders once they're safely in. Must be some kind of human instinct to be selfish within whatever you deem your tribe.
From: milko25 Jan 2021 16:04
To: fixrman 43 of 58
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We don't have National insurance here because Big Insurance and Big Pharma are too powerful... I don't know what the answer could be, but it wasn't Obamacare.
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If that's the case, why do we have so many people coming here from foreign countries for healthcare? 

The answer to quote one is, you're gonna like this I know, socialized healthcare. Obamacare wasn't going far enough, and you know when you've gone far enough because the costs people pay in tax for it are less than the costs they pay now, for better coverage.

I was comparing the USA with Canada and Europe rather than the whole world since I wouldn't be familiar enough with for example Mexico to really say. Much of South America is likely a mess too - the mischievous part of me wants to say its often down to US interference over the years but of course it's not only that. It cannot be right that you have people dying for lack of insulin (and hey, that's something Biden's apparently already fucked up, freezing Trump's executive order to drop the price on), refusing ambulances due to bills and suchlike. 

I know a paediatrician friend in Boston MA (works in the NICU) and I have no doubt that the quality of healthcare in the US is often excellent if you can afford it. The US mortality rates at birth for another example suggest that not enough can afford it, and/or that there are still other big problems in the way things are being done there.
From: fixrman27 Jan 2021 04:23
To: Manthorp 44 of 58
I think you've got an excess of bile in your blood, mate; you're all bitter and nasty. Sometimes one needs to step out of their comfort zone, try something different. You might try being nice,
From: fixrman27 Jan 2021 04:43
To: milko 45 of 58
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The answer to quote one is, you're gonna like this I know, socialized healthcare.

Who is the who? You do realise that what works for, say, Great Britain may not work for the U.S.? We've got 330 million people here, you don't. 

All I want to know is, who pays for it? I already pay enough in taxes, so don't tell me the answer is taxing more, that's a non-starter.

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Much of South America is likely a mess too - the mischievous part of me wants to say its often down to US interference over the years

Sure, blame the U.S. Isn't it just as likely that the country is just screwed up, run by screwups?

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It cannot be right that you have people dying for lack of insulin

They're not. They're dying from complications due to diabetes that is poorly managed, mainly because they are too lazy to eat properly and get exercise. The answer isn't more insulin, the answer is people who are motivated to control their disease with a proper diet, not pumping themselves full of insulin. Don't forget, I did medical transports for five years, and took hundreds of people to their dialysis and endocrinologist appointments. In the overwhelming majority of cases, people needing dialysis and diabetic care were overweight and poor eaters. All they wanted to talk about on their rides was what kind of food they ate and loved.

 

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I have no doubt that the quality of healthcare in the US is often excellent if you can afford it.

Also if you can't. Most of the people I transported were MA patients.

From: Manthorp27 Jan 2021 12:05
To: fixrman 46 of 58
I save my bile for the deserving.
From: milko27 Jan 2021 12:21
To: fixrman 47 of 58
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Who is the who? You do realise that what works for, say, Great Britain may not work for the U.S.? We've got 330 million people here, you don't. 

All I want to know is, who pays for it? I already pay enough in taxes, so don't tell me the answer is taxing more, that's a non-starter.

For the love of whatever deity you like, stop only comparing the US to the UK, aka Plague Island, aka Shit Land Ruled By Tory Gangsters. Look also at most countries in Europe, Scandinavia, Canada.

What you pay in taxes for good healthcare is LESS than what you pay in insurance for bad healthcare. Having a lot of people makes this equation easier not harder.
From: milko27 Jan 2021 12:31
To: ALL48 of 58
While managing diabetes through diet and exercise is absolutely a good thing, the idea that this means you should be charging US prices for insulin is entertainingly bleak. 

I see so much of this at the moment in the world, people desperate to justify misery as being right. Trump fans defending how much of his fundraising goes straight to his bank balance, British people demonising Corbyn-led Labour policies and then acting surprised when the Tories get in again and fuck over the country's economy and health (and everything), it's just sad.
From: Manthorp27 Jan 2021 12:35
To: milko 49 of 58
One of the many curiosities of fixrman (and one shared by quite a number of his compatriots) is his assumption that he can needle Teh posse by disparaging Britain or Britishness. This, I feel, says more about his MAGAish mindset than his misreading of the room.
From: Manthorp27 Jan 2021 12:47
To: fixrman 50 of 58
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I did medical transports for five years, and took hundreds of people to their dialysis and endocrinologist appointments.
I'm not convinced that taxiing people to medical appointments qualifies you to pontificate on clinical issues. However, if you wish to discuss the quickest car routes to the hospital, I will defer to your expertise.
EDITED: 27 Jan 2021 15:06 by MANTHORP
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)27 Jan 2021 15:44
To: fixrman 51 of 58
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I already pay enough in taxes

Maybe so. As I'm pretty sure you're aware, there's a lot of people who don't pay any taxes, but who have amassed eye-watering fortunes at the literal expense of the common weal, which I suppose is just another word for communism.

If you're down with that, fine. You get to live with the consequences. Blame whoever you please. Just live with it.

From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 04:26
To: Manthorp 52 of 58
No, I said urine. But of course that was very clumsy of me. I should have said bile, because that is a more accurate descriptor.
From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 04:31
To: milko 53 of 58
If socialized medicine worked here, we'd have it - but it doesn't. We already have forms of it here - called Medicare and Medicaid, and it is not good. There are many reasons it isn't good, the fact that the gummint runs it is the chief reason. Abuse, corruption, and fraud run rampant. Discuss.
From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 04:41
To: Manthorp 54 of 58
Interesting is the fact that you totally missed the fact that I am half-British; if I disparaged Britain in some way, then it was only half of what is continually done to America by putzes of your ilk.

I have no desire to needle anyone here, least of all you - as I suspect you are happy in your own world of self-dislike. I find it curious why there is always the jump to ascerbic statement and bitter criticism. Not happy? No hobbies? Jealous of Americans??

MAGAish... that would normally be funny, except I think you meant to be critical. Get your nose out the air.

I find it curious that Manthorp seems to embrace the same characteristics as the worst of the Democrats in America. Please don't visit, you'll just encourage the twits in the cities who are on the dole perpetually.
From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 04:44
To: Manthorp 55 of 58
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I'm not convinced

I would never try to convince you; that would be impossible, and about as profitable as trying to wrestle a pig in the mud.

From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 04:58
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 56 of 58
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As I'm pretty sure you're aware, there's a lot of people who don't pay any taxes

What people are those? I also know a lot of people who get free health care, pay no taxes and claim to be indigent, yet they've got an iPhone 12 and a bigger TV than I have, and a pointed stone farmhouse in the wealthy suburbs of Philadelphia.

I do know that there are many poor people who don't pay taxes, and I know there are many people who think there are a lot of people who pay no taxes, mainly because they consider them rich. Then there are the people who think that people who make xxx number of dollars don't pay their fair share.

I will agree with you on a point though: There are plenty in Big Business, Big Finance, Big College, Big Pharma, and Big Government who are bilking the public. A lot of them bankrolled Joke Biden.  (nod) Republicans and Democrats are both guilty of the same thing.

From: fixrman30 Jan 2021 05:05
To: ALL57 of 58
In the end, I suspect that some here would be pleased as punch if America were to fail, despite the fact that America's failure would also drag the rest of the world with it. I find it curious that some here would derive such perverse pleasure at the thought of such massive problems as if there aren't enough already. 

Perhaps some are like Germans, according a German named Berndt, who told me: "Some Germans are only happy when they are unhappy".

But I digress.

 
From: Manthorp30 Jan 2021 17:44
To: fixrman 58 of 58
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I find it curious why there is always the jump to ascerbic statement and bitter criticism.
Only with you, because you're a troll.