Jim has only rated my worth @ 7/10.

Why rely on Jim? Just download the Windows 10 iso from MS and use the Windows 7 key to activate it. If the key will activate Windows 7 then it will activate 10.

I like the Pi 4 as well. And the mathematics does make sense. 

There's a 4 x SATA pi hat for the Pi 4 that uses the USB 3.0 bus, but I'm not sure of the wisdom of putting a circuit board immediately above the SoC, even with a fan fitted. If I went with the Pi 4 I'd still need to plug the drives into a powered hub, but the gigabit ethernet would definitely reduce contention.

And after a bit of searching for better prices, it looks a lot more reasonable at £90 up front. 

There - you've talked me into it. I believe 'silver-tongued' is the epithet.

I'm improbably forumming from my spanking new Jimbowin on a ca. 2008 K9mm-v muvverboard with working ATI gigabyte video driver for the saphire hd4650 agp (AMD don't even do this shit no more) in 1920x1080 res., working Asus DG audio card (which does have official drivers). Steam discovering games I installed under xp now... Harrumph.  LOL

I eagerly await my commission.

The SATA hat is something that's probably worth getting later if you feel the need rather than starting off with. I can't see the USB 3 being a limiting factor with the kinda use you describe (especially if the drives are spinning?). All a total guess of course.





 

Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of "I've got an old laptop and I really want to do something useful with it."

My (Pi2 based) lofi NAS thing (I say lofi cos I just mount the drives via NFS, it doesn't do anything fancy) suffered a power cut during an update once and spits out errors *constantly*. I did one software update after that that just failed horrendously and took hours to fix (largely just by deleting and/or manually replacing anything it complained about).

It's completely broken. But it also works. All the stuff I use it for still somehow works. So I'm terrified to touch it.

At some point I'm going to have to replace it but, like you say, I can't remember how I set up most of what it does. Not looking forward to it.

 

I know somebody who wants a laptop but can't afford one so as the Toshiba is running nicely now I can see a home for it which will be a more satisfying use than sticking it back with all my ISA cards, IDE cables, motherboard stand-offs and ancient memory modules in the attic.

Ahh, that's perfect then :)

Does the Pi4 still use the same bus for ethernet and USB?

My glorious £30 ebay server died a few months ago and I need to replace it with something (file server, plex server, nothing much else). Pi4 may be the answer if it works well.

No, they're on separate buses with the Pi4.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/cL58e.png

I had to update my server a few months back as it was running 14.04 LTS which was end of life. Did a do-release-upgrade to push it to 16.04 LTS, fair to say that's a few hours/days of my life I won't be getting back fixing everything it broke.

Including my mysql db, which it somehow corrupted when upgrading, or there was a HDD issue which caused it to fall over. I managed a partial (nearly full) recovery which I was glad of. This thing mainly holds my home automation temperature data, nothing actually valuable, but would have been very annoying to lose it all.

Got it all back up and running, reinstalled phpmyadmin, mistakenly left it open to the outside world and a couple of weeks later someone "hacked" it and dropped the DB leaving a message in the DB to send them some bitcoins :'D

Restored that original partial backup, locked it down, now it runs a nightly backup. Amusing lesson. I've actually left the message in the DB to remind me each time I use phpmyadmin.

Heh, wow that's harsh.

 

Hah! That reminds me of upgrading my OwnCloud server with a casual disregard for the upgrade notes, chief of which was the advice that it was essential to upgrade PHP first. That was a balls up and the fun began when I was picking through the wreckage and discovered that to upgrade PHP I needed to upgrade my Raspbian and that anyway, there wasn't a compatible version of PHP in the OwnCloud repository. Oh how I laughed at the prospect of rebuilding all those fiddly bits that I'd forgotten how to do. Delighted to find that the Raspbian upgrade was smooth as silk and I managed to find a version of PHP that went on with a bit of wiggling. Even more delighted that the Owncloud upgrade simply "resumed" where it left off as though nothing had gone wrong.

Didn't get hacked although it's amazing how many port scans turn up in the logs.

My son runs Plex from a Pi 4 now. Works fine, even transcoding on the fly so he can watch stuff on his phone over t'internet. You probably know that the Pi 4 runs very hot, so it's definitely worth getting a decent active cooler . He's got one of these and the Pi seldom goes over 50C even flat out.

This bloke is doing the Pi 4 for £10 less than most places right now and if you're interested in auctions, there's a couple on ebay right now.

I've got boxes of the stuff piled on warehouse shelving surrounding me and threatening to collapse in a deadly avalanche.

Still, yesterday while hunting around for an old motherboard driver cd, nearly throwing my back out in the process, I stumbled upon a Yorkshire Penny  :-D

Think I had a very similar issue with PHP. Had all sorts of hassle trying to downgrade, or upgrade, or not use a certain version. Eventually worked somehow with a lot of checking logs which told me not a lot. And since I went to 16.04 (and not 18.04) I'm still a few years out of date and certain packages aren't available.

Probably would have been better to rebuild from scratch in hindsight. Which will be what I probably do when 16.04 goes end of life. No chance a past 14.04 install, which was a mess moving to 16.04 will survive the bump to 18.04.

What's one of them?