Nvidia drivers

From: william (WILLIAMA) 3 Jan 15:11
To: ALL1 of 13
Are Nvidia drivers simply too big? I really don't know much about this. I assume there's a lot of crap with every driver package, but I got a recent alert from the Nvidia CP to update my drivers and was a bit surprised to see the best part of 600MB downloading. I know we all have terabytes of disk and memory these days, apparently, but it's not that long ago that I'd have been pushed to fit that lot onto my hard drive, let alone unpack it. So is this all perfectly normal?

Not complaining - just curious.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 3 Jan 15:40
To: william (WILLIAMA) 2 of 13
I don't know about Nvidia drivers, but the 'core' radeon* runs about ~150 MB and there's a bunch of non-drivery cruft that looks pretty -ish, and makes tweaking various settings slightly more convenient and crashy.

*which I haven't updated in a couple of years since it works fine
EDITED: 3 Jan 15:42 by DSMITHHFX
From: graphitone 3 Jan 18:35
To: william (WILLIAMA) 3 of 13
You'll no doubt find that the .inf file that is the actual driver is very small, and is really all that's needed for displaying an image and dual screening. It's all the other gubbins when it comes to acceleration and trying to provide you an 'experience'. I got a new Radeon card last year and thought that I'd install all the game aware software that comes with it to, in theory, make things easier by having tweaked profiles for each game. Turns out it's utter shite, caused problems in running many games - Doom 2016 for instance crashed after 10 minutes of play time - and it was all because the Radeon suite was installed. Some of the per game settings in it were less than necessary; I don't really care to alter the voltage settings of my card for any particular game, it's a level of detail I have no appreciation of. 

Once it was uninstalled things have been running much better, but it inflated the install of the drivers to around ~350MB. So, yeah, its not unusual nowadays for the installs to be that big, but if you can do without the extras, I'd recommend moving them to the recycle bin. 
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 3 Jan 20:52
To: graphitone 4 of 13
Most of the updates are for cards and games I don't even own, even though in theory they would still work with my card & games ok.
From: Weatherlawyer (MIKE)23 Feb 17:25
To: graphitone 5 of 13
I am presuming this is all a Microsoft issue and that linux just supplies what the kernel needs. I have never noticed large files with my updates. Not that I pay attention much
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)23 Feb 19:45
To: Weatherlawyer (MIKE) 6 of 13
The binary drivers are of similar size. The open sores ones are more compact, but don't access the fancier acceleration functions for games etc. IIRC the nvidia open source are barely functional. I do use them on a work pc for a pretty low-end card, and they seem ok for everyday desktop stuff.
From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N)27 Feb 00:21
The proprietary drivers are definitely smaller on Linux (~33mb on disk on my system) but that's largely because the Windows drivers contain a shitload of what are essentially runtime-patches for games. A lot of stuff, particularly shaders, in games is poorly coded and nvidia essentially rewrite them, stick them in the drivers, then replace them in the game when it runs. Everyone wins - the games run better and nvidia cards look good. These take up a *lot* of space.

They don't bother porting that stuff to Linux.

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)27 Feb 01:04
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 8 of 13
I haven't installed binary drivers for linux in >10 years, they weren't worth the bother. Although they had better 3d acceleration, 2d for typical desktop stuff was kind of sucky.
From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N)27 Feb 02:35
Some distros make a meal of them for some reason. On Arch it's as much bother as typing `pacman -S nvidia`.
From: graphitone27 Feb 08:42
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 10 of 13
And how many shaders does Pacman require?
From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N)27 Feb 09:15
To: graphitone 11 of 13
Over 7.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)27 Feb 11:07
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 12 of 13
Installing is easy.
From: graphitone27 Feb 14:46
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 13 of 13
Good gravy.  :-O