Steam Sale!!

From: Linn (INDYLS)27 Jun 2019 19:47
To: ALL16 of 35
Reading through, I had to check the date to see how old this thread was! Portal 2, L4D? Go for it!
From: koswix27 Jun 2019 20:30
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 17 of 35
Is it ever not on? (fail)
From: william (WILLIAMA)27 Jun 2019 21:00
To: koswix 18 of 35
The Talos Principal. £4.49. Fuck. That is all.
From: Chris (CHRISSS)27 Jun 2019 21:44
To: william (WILLIAMA) 19 of 35
Is that the one Manthorp mentioned when I thought he was talking about Obduction? Tempted by that I think.
From: william (WILLIAMA)27 Jun 2019 22:28
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 20 of 35
...and £25.50 less than I paid not 4 weeks ago.
From: Manthorp28 Jun 2019 11:58
To: william (WILLIAMA) 21 of 35
Ouch! I take partial responsibility for selling it too big, though my conscience does not extend to even partially reimbursing you.
From: william (WILLIAMA)28 Jun 2019 12:05
To: Manthorp 22 of 35
I console myself with the thought that I've wasted far more beer tokens elsewhere and that in the grand scheme of my profligacy it's a drip in my gin glass.
From: william (WILLIAMA)28 Jun 2019 12:05
To: william (WILLIAMA) 23 of 35
Also, it is quite a fun game.
From: Manthorp28 Jun 2019 14:07
To: william (WILLIAMA) 24 of 35
There are three special, halcyon maps which owe a considerable debt to Roger Dean. I absolutely love the piece of music that accompanies them. The climax of the game is great, too.
From: Manthorp28 Jun 2019 14:15
To: Manthorp 25 of 35
...easily worth £30.
From: william (WILLIAMA)28 Jun 2019 15:10
To: Manthorp 26 of 35
Did he try to sue them?
From: Chris (CHRISSS)28 Jun 2019 16:42
To: william (WILLIAMA) 27 of 35
Does that mean you get 6 times as much fun from it?
From: william (WILLIAMA)28 Jun 2019 16:44
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 28 of 35
Sadly not. However, I do feel obliged to try harder now.
From: Chris (CHRISSS)28 Jun 2019 17:33
To: william (WILLIAMA) 29 of 35
6 times the pressure to actually play it :) You might not bother if you'd only spent £4.50.

I played the Elite Dangerous training missions last night. It's complicated. Mouse and keyboard controls are interesting. I'm sure a proper controller would make it easier. I managed the first combat training but failed miserably at advanced combat.
From: Manthorp30 Jun 2019 21:38
To: william (WILLIAMA) 30 of 35
Not so far, though he has as cut-and dried a case as he had with Avatar. But what's a poor boy to do when the strength of his artistic vision gently tweaks art history? cf. Bridget Riley.

I chatted to him on the phone a couple of times in the mid-nineties. I borrowed his first album cover painting - for Gun - for my Sound & Fury exhibition on the iconography of heavy metal.

He was amiable & grounded; more to the point, he kindly agreed a - ludicrously underestimated -  £45k insurance value for the work because he knew that anything realistic (bearing in mind that he held for some years the record for the most expensive artwork by a living artist, eclipsing de Kooning & Hockney) would be way beyond Bradford AGM's means.
From: william (WILLIAMA)30 Jun 2019 23:35
To: Manthorp 31 of 35
Was it cut and dried? I've seen plenty of comparisons and I'll admit that was my first thought too. But then again, what's the relationship between plagiarism and following a paradigm that another artist has established? After all, you only need to stick "Chinese landscape" into Google and it starts to look as though Roger Dean may just have 'followed a paradigm' or two himself. And as for floating islands - they date back through Swift to Homer and probably earlier. Should Braque have paid Picasso royalties? For that matter you can see the pre-echoes of cubism in the painting of Cezanne. I'm not saying Roger Dean wasn't plagiarised, I just think he may have beel ill-advised to sue.
From: Manthorp 1 Jul 2019 10:12
To: william (WILLIAMA) 32 of 35
Shifting the paradigm is the nub of it. If an artist is so influential that they move the aesthetic goalposts - Uccello, Harunobu, Picasso etc., then, perversely, they somehow lose the moral copyright; and with it, the legal one, too.

Dean is hardly amongst those luminaries, but his influence on psychedelic and speculative art was profound. He's probably shot himself in the foot.
From: william (WILLIAMA) 1 Jul 2019 11:37
To: Manthorp 33 of 35
It's always going to be tricky, which is why lawyers prefer word for word plagiarism when they look at writing. It doesn't help that the industry in popular music litigation, for instance, has descended into absolute bollocks with vague similarities touted as copying, and lawyers counting notes up and notes down to see if there are 4 or 5 matches.

Listened to Danny Boyle interviewed on the subject recently. he mentioned the try-on period leading up to release of a film, when there's so much invested that it can seem cheaper to settle a claim, genuine or not than delay putting it into cinemas. He freely admitted to borrowing from various places when he directed Trainspotting, including A Clockwork Orange and Gravity's Rainbow. In fact he admitted going to some effort to imitate Clockwork Orange look, feel and even camera shots in places. 

Dean does what he does rather well. That said, I agree he's not up there with Picasso et al in that his paradigm is a 'niche' paradigm: he didn't change the course of art, or even the course of fantasy art. As a good dialetical materialist I say that what he does finds its origins in what went before, which is rather obvious really. Was he plagiarised? Probably - a bit Should he have sued or simply basked in the glory of being imitated? Probably basked. It obviously got him pretty angry - enough to instruct a firm of lawyers and risk taking on the big-money. A few bottles of Laphroaig and a few days reflection might have been wiser. It may not be right or just, but it always looks different when somebody who already has the glittering prizes gets litigious to when a newcomer screams that their work has been stolen. Look at the way J K Rowling gets all legal on the heads of her fan-fic followers. Not a good look, particularly in light of the debt she owes to people like Frank Richards, or more to the point, Jill Murphy.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 1 Jul 2019 14:01
To: ALL34 of 35
FWIW I consider Dean a talented illustrator, perhaps less talented than e.g Howard Pyle and Alan Aldridge, and more talented than Norman Rockwell.
From: Chris (CHRISSS) 7 Jul 2019 14:02
To: ALL35 of 35
I've had 15 hours in Elite Dangerous now  :-O It's pretty awesome. So far I've been doing courier missions and trading commodities between systems to make enough money to get a new ship. I have a lovely Cobra Mk III now with a fair bit more cargo space. Why I got 30k credits for shipping 3 tons of water for my last mission I don't know.