From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)13 Aug 2018 22:33
To: ALL1 of 26
Anyone use Linux Mint Debian Edition and/or Cinnamon?
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)14 Aug 2018 01:11
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 2 of 26
I tried Cinnamon, and while there were some clever ideas, it was unstable and not really any more light weight than either gnome or kde.

Mint is just ubuntu for idiots. I suppose by that standard, ubuntu is just debian for idiots.
EDITED: 14 Aug 2018 01:14 by DSMITHHFX
From: ANT_THOMAS14 Aug 2018 09:13
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 3 of 26
Used to use Mint Cinnamon (I think) but it being behind even Ubuntu made me change to Ubuntu.

Is debian edition more up to date?
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)14 Aug 2018 16:33
To: ANT_THOMAS 4 of 26
I used a debian unstable ("Sid") -based distro called "Sidux" which included pretty much the latest of everything linux for 4-5 years until ~2008, when I switched to Fedora.

It apparently lives on under the new moniker "Siduction" https://news.siduction.org/ after some sort of founders' donnybrook.

I personally found little to no advantage to having the latest stuff for my needs, and eventually got tired of the admin overhead.

(Oh, and I still run Ubuntu LTS on a home server and a couple of work pcs, and if I ever get back into linux gaming or need the Radeon binary, I'll add Ubunutu in to a multiboot)
EDITED: 14 Aug 2018 16:34 by DSMITHHFX
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)14 Aug 2018 23:21
To: ANT_THOMAS 5 of 26
It is/was based on Debian's testing branch - so not as bleeding edge as sid/unstable, but more so than stable branch. I'm not sure how that compares to Ubuntu, but I do prefer a working system.

I mainly want Debian + working hardware on a Live pendrive, and don't trust Canonical, so that seemed the best option - but after discovering the response to a website hack in 2016, I'm unsure about trusting Mint either.

Hoping I can find another derivative that bundles drivers and not have to arse around putting one together.

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)14 Aug 2018 23:35
When did you try Cinnamon? It used to just be a customisation of Gnome, but is now standalone, which might make it more stable. (Unless that's the thing that made it buggy.)

Again, I'm mainly looking for Gnome-but-better, not interested in Mate/KDE/Xfce, so I'm hoping it has matured/evolved in the right direction.

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Aug 2018 01:42
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 of 26
It was on Fedora a few years back. Maybe it's improved but not worth the bother IMO.

If you just want a bootable pendrive you could do a lot worse than http://www.system-rescue-cd.org
EDITED: 15 Aug 2018 01:46 by DSMITHHFX
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)15 Aug 2018 15:21
I want a useful bootable pendrive, with a Debian base.

Might try Knoppix - for some reason I thought it was RedHat-based - otherwise I've found the Debian Derivatives Census which provides others to check out. (Would be nice if they had basic filtering functionality.)

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Aug 2018 17:15
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 of 26
Nothing's more useful than systemrescuecd. It'll boot up on any old [usb-bootable] and new x86 including recent macs.

Got firefox, gparted, fsarchiver (even more useful than PowerPoint!), terminal, midnight commander; hell, it's even got LTS kernels!


Did I mention it's super-lightweight and boots fast AF?

EDITED: 15 Aug 2018 17:18 by DSMITHHFX
From: koswix15 Aug 2018 17:34
To: ALL10 of 26
Isn't this where Xen pops up and says everyone should be using Arch? Where is Xen?
From: william (WILLIAMA)15 Aug 2018 21:57
To: koswix 11 of 26
Didn't he turn into a games reviewer? ludiclinux.com etc?
EDITED: 15 Aug 2018 22:02 by WILLIAMA
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)15 Aug 2018 22:21
Buried within the Debian download directories (which can't currently be accessed because whoever is doing maintenance doesn't understand what a mirror is), is an unofficial live ISO with cinnamon and the non-free firmware - basically the two reasons for wanting Mint.

I hacked with URLs to find 9.5/Stretch (stable) on a mirror - wanted to try 10/Buster (testing) but looks like the weekly releases are only on the offline official servers - though I still need to find a spare USB drive to put it on.

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)15 Aug 2018 22:30
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 13 of 26
Arch is the worst OS /ever/.
EDITED: 15 Aug 2018 22:31 by BOUGHTONP
From: koswix15 Aug 2018 22:46
To: william (WILLIAMA) 14 of 26
Huh, I had no idea. I'm glad he likes Steamworld 2, it's my favourite game so far on the Switch (cos I can't afford Mario or Zelda yet :( )
From: koswix15 Aug 2018 22:47
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 15 of 26
Maybe Drew will see that and be enticed to post again.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)16 Aug 2018 00:54
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 16 of 26
Something we can agree on.  :-O~~~
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Aug 2018 20:16
To: koswix 17 of 26
I think the bastard has abandoned us. :'(
From: ANT_THOMAS18 Aug 2018 10:45
To: ALL18 of 26
Talking *nix. My ubuntu 18.04 install seems to have trashed itself somehow on booting this morning.

That goes with my dedicated server's HDD either failing or being too full to login and clear, resulting in a new HDD and losing everything on it.
From: ANT_THOMAS18 Aug 2018 12:17
To: ANT_THOMAS 19 of 26
Or it's fixed itself, no idea how/why.
From: koswix18 Aug 2018 12:36
To: ANT_THOMAS 20 of 26
The answer will be in the Arch wiki.