From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)21 Jun 2017 21:01
To: ALL1 of 27
I'm contemplating whether I want a lightweight compact that I can always carry with me.

My mobile has shit ergonomics and poor responsiveness (shutter lag, autofocus, bloated OS).

Anyone already got something they'd recommend, or any thoughts to toss into my mental melting pot?

From: ANT_THOMAS21 Jun 2017 21:05
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 2 of 27
Not quite compact, but I recently bought a second hand Sony A6000 mirrorless and I'm happy with it. A couple of generations old, but decent still.

I'm guessing budget is going to be your limiting factor (ignoring whatever ridiculous BP attribute it requires).

Sony RX100 range is very well reviewed.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)21 Jun 2017 21:38
To: ANT_THOMAS 3 of 27
I wouldn't rule out something like the A6000 - dpreview says 344g and 12×7×5cm with lens included, which still counts compared to the 1.5kg and 14×11×18cm of SLR+lens.

I'm not too fussed budget-wise - something suitable should really be possible for £200 or so, but I accept it'll be more, though if it reached four figures I'll probably not bother.

I briefly looked at RX100 range earlier but the reviews suggested Panasonic's equivalent had the edge, though I've yet to checked in terms of what criteria that is.

From: ANT_THOMAS21 Jun 2017 21:47
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 4 of 27
Realistically I wanted the A6500 but I didn't have that sort of budget. As I was replacing my SLR with whatever I bought I wanted the ability to switch lenses if I needed to, and potentially use my old Pentax lenses, which I have been able to with a very cheap adapter.

I did seriously consider a compact and did look at a number of them, and some micro 4/3 cameras, a Panasonic something or other being one of them.

And size wise the A6000 just fits in a cargo short pocket, if that's any help.
EDITED: 21 Jun 2017 21:47 by ANT_THOMAS
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)22 Jun 2017 08:15
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 5 of 27
I've sworn by my Canon S95 as my small camera for the last few years. Does everything you'd want it to do (OK, it does everything I'd want it to do, no doubt you will have some arcane requirement which will discount it, on account of it not being able to interface with a ColdFusion database, or something), and it's small.
From: milko22 Jun 2017 13:37
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 6 of 27
What mobile do you have? Worth considering one that fixes some or all of those points?

I also hear a lot of good things about the Sony RX100 - specifically the mk3 if you want to save a lot of money over the mk4 and 5 and not shoot 4k video.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)22 Jun 2017 19:37
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 7 of 27
Not sure taking pictures indoors is particularly arcane, but it's successor the S120 does increase the max ISO from 3200 to 12800 so might be worth considering.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)22 Jun 2017 19:39
To: milko 8 of 27
OnePlus2, but there are none that fix ergonomics even if they could give acceptable performance (of which I'm dubious).

Looking at the RX100 range you're right there'd definitely be no advantage in mk4, and even comparing mk3 to mk2 it's not clear if there's £160 worth of difference (£85 after cashback at Wex).

From: milko22 Jun 2017 19:41
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 9 of 27
I don't know a lot about them but I think the step up involves faster optics... do you take indoor shots much? I usually go for the "I'm buying this once, I'll just get the fancier version to make sure" in this sort of situation.
EDITED: 22 Jun 2017 19:41 by MILKO
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)22 Jun 2017 20:38
To: milko 10 of 27
Nothing where image quality matters that much, but something that can cope with twilight would be handy.

The mk3 does have a newer processor and ND filter which may help prevent blown highlights.

There's also the Canon G7 X mk2 which is similar price and features, and the Panasonic Lumix TZ100 which is better in some ways and worse in others. No doubt combining the three would give me just what I'm after. :/

From: milko22 Jun 2017 21:47
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 11 of 27
So it shall always be, I fear. Until Corbyn gets in and we go full communist and just have one National Camera.

Any idea which looks nicest to use? If they're all much of a muchness that should be the key thing I suppose.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)22 Jun 2017 22:02
To: milko 12 of 27
Probably the Canon, but not sure - I'm going to check and make sure I'm not overlooking others, but avoid making up my mind before I can have a fondle.
From: milko23 Jun 2017 07:51
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 13 of 27
Park Cameras is v close to the Fitzroy Tavern :-)
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)23 Jun 2017 09:41
To: milko 14 of 27
Drunk purchase!
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Jun 2017 17:28
To: milko 15 of 27
Indeed. :)
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)25 Jun 2017 22:18
To: ALL16 of 27
So, turns out the Canon G7 X mk2 was actually my least favourite to hold and use the controls for. The RX100 mk3 was a bit better, but had a similar system. I didn't see a Sony A6xxx to try, though the place was very busy.

Anyhow, the Panasonic TZ100 is what I went for - controls felt better - similar to what I'm used to from Nikon, even if actual operation is something I'm getting used to; a lot of functionality and options crammed into relatively few controls, but it does appear to be sufficiently customisable, and the viewfinder is acceptable (no EVF is good, compared to optical, but it wasn't as bad as the review suggested).

From: graphitone26 Jun 2017 07:25
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 17 of 27
So, when do we see some examples of what it can do?
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)26 Jun 2017 20:14
To: graphitone 18 of 27
A few moments after you search for "TZ100 sample images"?

If you want examples of what I can do with it, you'll have to wait.

From: graphitone26 Jun 2017 20:59
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 19 of 27
Indeedy, I want to see your pictures.
From: ANT_THOMAS26 Jun 2017 21:09
To: ALL20 of 27
On the topic of photos, how do people show their photos online these days?

Facebook doesn't seem the right place. I put stuff on instagram when on holiday (or when doing something vaguely interesting), but that's usually a quick on the spot job rather than for photos I may bother to process the raws of, since I like it to be chronological. Does anyone still actually use Flickr?