Today I joined the late 20th century

From: milko14 Jul 2016 17:16
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 19 of 51
I'm back to being confused. Why don't you just turn it off, again? When you use it, all that stuff is back on unless you disable it (in which case if you're going to be paranoid properly, know that disabling it in settings won't disable it fully). So what difference does it make?
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)14 Jul 2016 19:21
To: ALL20 of 51
I don't want to be tracked by google, any 3d-party apps I might want to install, the NSA, local cops or anybody really. It just creeps me out. :-S

If you're fine with being tracked by all of the above, fine. It's the default.

As milko points out, disabling the features in settings and even turning the device off doesn't necessarily disable the features.
From: ANT_THOMAS15 Jul 2016 10:02
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 21 of 51
I love a bit of Google tracking. Timeline in Google Maps is one of my favourite Google features.

Also, turning the device off does disable the features, because it's off.
From: milko15 Jul 2016 10:04
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 22 of 51
Honestly I think the only way to guarantee all of that is to not have the device in the first place. And you probably have to worry about what sort of router you have at home and which ISP and whether to VPN for everything and yadda yadda it likely gets a bit difficult to manage when it all adds up.
From: milko15 Jul 2016 10:05
To: ANT_THOMAS 23 of 51
That's what they want you to think!
From: graphitone15 Jul 2016 10:10
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 24 of 51
If you're a law abiding citizen (and I'm assuming you are, I don't think there's a law forbidding tin foil hats), then is being tracked necessarily a bad thing? 

 
From: Manthorp15 Jul 2016 13:10
To: graphitone 25 of 51
I'm not bothered about being tracked (and I'm far from a law-abiding citizen!) and I enjoy some of the products that depend upon tracking. But I do think that one should have the right not to be tracked if one would rather not.
EDITED: 15 Jul 2016 13:14 by MANTHORP
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 13:21
To: ALL26 of 51
http://www.pressreader.com/canada/toronto-star/20160715/281655369415092

I'm law abiding -ish, and maybe that matters now.

But in some dystopian future in which, say Donald Trump is POTUS, or UKIP forms a gummint. Crazy, I know...
From: graphitone15 Jul 2016 13:50
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 27 of 51
The side scrolling on that page rather than the usual vertical up down arrangement stopped me from reading the article. Is this how Canada internets itself?
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 13:54
To: graphitone 28 of 51
Interesting thing about the article, is it's in the print edition (which is where I saw it) but not the paper's online version (thestar.com), at least I can't find it there. I had to google the title to find that website, which I agree is stupidly formatted. Bonus: you can't select text! :-O~~~ Anyway, here's a screen cap of salient bits
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From: graphitone15 Jul 2016 14:41
To: Manthorp 29 of 51
Yeah, you should be able to have the choice, but in Smiffy's case, that choice is being decided by the delicate balancing act between all out paranoia and giving himself up to getting spied on by everyone with access to a command prompt or as Milko said, just leaving his phone at home (where presumably the powers that be already know he resides).

It maybe his recalcitrant attitude towards the establishment that stops him for benefiting from the plusses that a new phone has to offer, whether one outweighs the other is up to him, but does offer a more fundamental choice of use it and accept that it's possible someone might be looking at his selfies, or leave it in a drawer for use when necessary.

There's another option o'course, get a non-smart cell phone. No GPS, no cameras etc... <shrug>
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 14:53
To: graphitone 30 of 51
It's not as draconian as you make it sound. All I need is a suitably shielded case/bag/wallet to carry it in, then when I need to use whatever features I choose (including gps, camera, whatever... actually the camera is crap), all I have to do is take it out and use it. Simple, easy -- said case/bag/wallet not so easy to find though.

Bonus: I'm unreachable when phone is in case/bag/wallet. (bounce)

Did I mention that I hate phones?
EDITED: 15 Jul 2016 14:55 by DSMITHHFX
From: graphitone15 Jul 2016 15:05
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 31 of 51
 :-D

Do you have any lead lined bags from using camera film?
From: ANT_THOMAS15 Jul 2016 15:06
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 32 of 51
I'm curious then, what do you actually want it for?

Also, if you are going to put it in a shielded case of some sort whilst leaving it powered on I'd recommend putting it in Flight Mode because I'm sure a phone without signal that is looking for signal uses far more battery.
From: ANT_THOMAS15 Jul 2016 15:07
To: graphitone 33 of 51
Good old 53North. I don't miss his racist slurs, but I do miss his insanity.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 15:09
To: graphitone 34 of 51
Nope, never used one. I've brought loads of film through airport scanners and they did not appear to be infected.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 15:14
To: ANT_THOMAS 35 of 51
To replace our land line eventually (Mrs.D got a cell about a year ago, we're paying ~30-bucks a mo for landline). Also some other things, like taking crap photos of stupid stuff -- brace yourselves for the deluge -- checking maps from wifi (I don't have a data plan), mp3's, checking email. Music on the nexus 7 is kind of sucky, plus it's relatively awkward to hump around.
From: Chris (CHRISSS)15 Jul 2016 15:15
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 36 of 51
Walk around in one of these
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UNUVqRO5Fgw/Te0_pUJIjSI/AAAAAAAAQdM/xtrVIr1Xv3I/s1600/Tesla18Dalek10006Ft.jpg

Might have to make the mesh a little finer though.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jul 2016 15:17
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 37 of 51
Nevermind the cage, I want the dalek with the super taser. Then maybe the Feds will leave me alone!
From: ANT_THOMAS15 Jul 2016 15:33
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 38 of 51
Do you need a landline for your internet connection?

There's an annoying thing in the UK if you have an internet connection via phone line (ADSL, BT Fibre etc) you have to pay for line rental + internet, even if you don't want to use a landline.