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From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)19 Mar 2016 14:19
To: ANT_THOMAS 5 of 11
Something that's cropped up here from time to time is the idea of a guaranteed annual income, aka 'mincome', so if your income falls below a certain threshold, the government pays you instead of you paying income tax. Which may be a further simplification of the universal credit you speak of, with (theoretically) less bureaucracy and attendant hassles and expenses involved. IIRC some jursidiction recently started running a test of it in place of traditional welfare.
EDITED: 19 Mar 2016 14:20 by DSMITHHFX
From: ANT_THOMAS19 Mar 2016 17:30
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 6 of 11
Not sure how many still remain, or how much is paid, but we have/had tax credits where people who were working and had low income or certain circumstances got some form of benefit paid. Whilst that brings people/families up to a minimum level of income (which is a good thing), it is basically subsiding low pay from employers.
From: william (WILLIAMA)19 Mar 2016 21:19
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 7 of 11
It 'sounds' like a clever idea. Don't worry about 20 different welfare types, just have 1 for all situations. But then you think, does that really improve things? The claimants are still claiming for exactly the same reasons so that has to be assessed, granted or refused and paid exactly as before, in every case and for every type of claim. None of the rules for receipt of the different welfare types are the same and these rules aren't changing to unify assessment. In fact, all that's happening is a vastly (and I mean vastly) complex set of changes both in administration and IT to achieve what exactly? 

It's as though somebody decided that all car types must have the same name. Don't have all the complexity of Fords, Fiats, Toyotas and so on, we'll call them all Unicars. That'll be so much easier.


Edited to (hopefully) make the point clearer
EDITED: 20 Mar 2016 10:47 by WILLIAMA
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)20 Mar 2016 11:56
To: ANT_THOMAS 8 of 11
The other thing is raising minimum wage and making sure that employers aren't dodging labour standards with e.g. contract and part-time employees filling what are really permanent, full-time positions.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)20 Mar 2016 11:59
To: william (WILLIAMA) 9 of 11
You have a point, but are there really 20 different kinds? Here we basically have two: unemployment and disability.
From: william (WILLIAMA)20 Mar 2016 23:08
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 10 of 11
Oh yes, job-seekers (formerly unemployment), carers, disability, attendance, bereavement, child benefit and so on...up to about fifty*

There's no denying that it could be simplified. Like many systems in this great nation, benefits have proliferated and grown as did the proverbial African American child in the story by Mrs. Beecher Stowe.

However, the jump from many to one is plain ridiculous.

*that may be an exaggeration
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)21 Mar 2016 01:15
To: william (WILLIAMA) 11 of 11
It all boils down to the same thing: needs income support.