AC Adapter Question

From: Serg (NUKKLEAR)13 Oct 2014 19:54
To: koswix 5 of 40
Kos! What??
If the adapter is 12V output AND can supply the sum of the current requirements, then he MUST wire them in parallel, otherwise they most definitely won't get 12V each. If the adapter can output 24V and sufficient current he still can't wire them in series unless he knows that the impedance of both is equal. Plus other nasty stuff.

Also, hope that neither device has any peculiar load characteristics or dodgy circuit which could contaminate the single supply.

From: koswix13 Oct 2014 20:54
To: Serg (NUKKLEAR) 6 of 40
Yes I know. That's why I said to wire them in parallel.
From: fixrman16 Oct 2014 19:21
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 7 of 40
I wish you'd have asked this before I threw some away.

All AC-DC adapters are not alike. You need to match the output voltage/amperage of the transformer to the desired input requirements of the device you want to power.

For instance, you may see that the adapter you want to use is a 12V unit, but it provides 9.8V continuous and 450mA output; the device you want to power may need 11.8V continuous but only need 380mA current. Also another nasty trick they can pull is that the power plug (gazinta the device) might be oriented incorrectly for what you want to use. I have found center positive or negative; that could be a problem. I have swapped the wires before if everthing else matched.

Let me know what you need because the ones I have are still here. Trash goes out tonight though.  ;-)
EDITED: 16 Oct 2014 19:24 by FIXRMAN
From: koswix16 Oct 2014 20:32
To: fixrman 8 of 40
Given his current condition perhaps he should be more worried about the back emf.
From: Dan (HERMAND)16 Oct 2014 20:41
To: fixrman 9 of 40
The voltage needs to be identical (or very close if you're feeling brave*) but the max current output on the adapter only needs to meet or exceed the requirement for the device.

I.e. if you have a 12v device needing 500mA a 12v 1A adapter will be fine. A 14v 500ma will not.

*I wouldn't be brave at all with modern electronics, but you used to be able to get away with it on some simpler devices.

I'd almost forgotten polarity. Apart from laptops which are their own special beast, I'm not sure I own anything with a good old fashioned transformer. Everything is either USB standardised or IEC to the appliance.
EDITED: 16 Oct 2014 20:44 by HERMAND
From: koswix16 Oct 2014 21:50
To: Dan (HERMAND) 10 of 40
I'd guess (and it is a guess) that voltage is less of an issue now. Or maybe the same level of issue. (within reason)

With microcontrollers in everything these days the design is going to incorporate voltage regulators to provide either the 5v or 3.3v required for the logic side of things, so they shouldn't be affected. The rest of the circuit is probably no more or less voltage sensitive than older stuff.

If you supply 14v instead of 12v I'd guess that everything would run fine (albeit a bit hotter).

I'm not about to test it on anything I value, though :D
From: fixrman16 Oct 2014 22:15
To: koswix 11 of 40
Yeah, maybe he should wrap the damn cord around his waist and stick the busines end in his mouth...

...said the bishop.

He could do well also to put about 7 strands of Christmas lights on as well.  :-D

Current condition... love it!  (dance)
From: fixrman16 Oct 2014 22:17
To: Dan (HERMAND) 12 of 40
I'd not want to put anything but a dman close match myself;  500mA more current could damage some things, not knowing how well that wall wart is made.
 
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*I wouldn't be brave at all with modern electronics, but you used to be able to get away with it on some simpler devices.

If you said that, you said a lot there.
 
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I'd almost forgotten polarity.
You'd think it would be standard, but it isn't.

 
From: fixrman16 Oct 2014 22:21
To: koswix 13 of 40
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that voltage is less of an issue now

The Chinese crap we get now?  8-O
 

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if you supply 14v instead of 12v I'd guess that everything would run fine (albeit a bit hotter).

You also might pop some cheap capacitors and electrolytics.

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I'm not about to test it on anything I value, though

Exceedingly prudent, my good man.

From: Dan (HERMAND)16 Oct 2014 22:59
To: fixrman 14 of 40
But a current rating is simply a maximum output - current is drawn, not pushed, else your 60w lightbulb wouldn't last many minutes on a 1200w (average) circuit!
From: koswix17 Oct 2014 00:05
To: fixrman 15 of 40
What Dan said - your power supplies are constant voltage, not constant current. The current drawn will be whatever is needed by the device.

Generally if you try and draw too much for an extended period the supply will die.
From: koswix17 Oct 2014 00:09
To: fixrman 16 of 40
>>You also might pop some cheap capacitors and electrolytics.

Possibly, but 2 volts extra shouldnt dshouldn't do much. I'd wager that most components (even I'm cheap dodgy stuff) will be over specified because it's cheaper to go for the mass made stuff that's readily available than it is to get something that exactly matches your requirements.

If 14v would kill it, I'd wager it's got a fairly limited life on 12v anyway.

I should probably stress again that I'm just guessing here. I'm no electromagician.
EDITED: 17 Oct 2014 00:09 by KOSWIX
From: fixrman17 Oct 2014 02:55
To: Dan (HERMAND) 17 of 40
If I have an electronic unit that I like, why would I take a chance that the adapter is crap and smokes it? You can with yours, I'll just use the right one thanks.
From: fixrman17 Oct 2014 02:58
To: koswix 18 of 40
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Possibly, but 2 volts extra shouldnt dshouldn't do much. I'd wager that most components (even I'm cheap dodgy stuff) will be over specified because it's cheaper to go for the mass made stuff that's readily available than it is to get something that exactly matches your requirements.

Tell that to the speaker amp I just repaired. Quote: 


If 14v would kill it, I'd wager it's got a fairly limited life on 12v anyway.

Or maybe it is old and just can't handle it any more. Surely you've replaced a motherboard at least once for failed caps?
 

From: koswix17 Oct 2014 07:00
To: fixrman 19 of 40
>>Surely you've replaced a motherboard at least once for failed caps

Nope, I missed that bandwagon. That debacle was due to badly made electrolytic capacitors, I think.
From: fixrman17 Oct 2014 12:15
To: koswix 20 of 40
Yes, that is true. Bad or poorly made power supplies could accelarate the popcorn effect.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)17 Oct 2014 17:19
To: fixrman 21 of 40
Had an ide channel on an old-ish mb (or associated caps, which were visibly popped) & an attached hdd blown by a lightning-induced power surge.
From: fixrman17 Oct 2014 17:30
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 22 of 40
Yes, they don't like that much, do they?
EDITED: 17 Oct 2014 17:30 by FIXRMAN
From: Dan (HERMAND)17 Oct 2014 23:38
To: fixrman 23 of 40
Because the chance is zero, due to physics!
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)18 Oct 2014 01:13
To: fixrman 24 of 40
What surprised me was that it still ran off the other channel. Apparently the PSU itself was undamaged.