Windows 7 (fail)

From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX) 4 Nov 2008 14:10
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 11 of 55
Did you jimlad a version of windows 7 or are you a Tester?
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 4 Nov 2008 14:22
To: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX) 12 of 55
I've got the PDC preview M3 build. I'm sure I don't know this lad "Jim".
From: koswix 4 Nov 2008 14:28
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 13 of 55
Does it blend? Is it stable?
EDITED: 4 Nov 2008 14:29 by KOSWIX
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 4 Nov 2008 14:44
To: koswix 14 of 55

Haven't the foggiest, haven't done anything with it yet. When they release the first beta next month I'll half-inch a spare laptop from work and try and use it in earnest (with Office 14 and VS2010), but for now I've just been exploring.

 

The new Taskbar's not all there yet in this build, but it's an improvement already. You can move the buttons around, which I've wanted since Windows 95, so that's good. You can pin a running application to the taskbar, and it creates a shortcut with whatever start-up parameters were specified. Not a lot else, and the Start Menu appears to have only changed cosmetically.

 

Windows PowerShell v2 has a new graphical IDE-type thing, which is very cool, a lot like those Python or Ruby tools you can get (immediate execution window, all that stuff).

From: koswix 4 Nov 2008 15:20
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 15 of 55

>>You can move the buttons around, which I've wanted since Windows 95, so that's good.

 

Wooo! Finally! I used to have a plug in thingy that let you do that... Hmm, was it a power tool? I dunno. I lost it in a reformat years ago but it was sooo handy if you're anal like me about tasbard window order (I'm having cold sweats today because Outlook opened after IE and it's at the wrong end of the taskbar and I'm too lazy to close the various IE windows I need to sort it out)

 

I'll be speaking to Jim this evening to see if I can borrow his copy, me thinks...

From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX) 4 Nov 2008 21:22
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 16 of 55
I feel a virtual machine moment coming on.
From: Mal (BAD) 6 Nov 2008 22:49
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 17 of 55
Interesting. I was under the impression that MinWin was just the NT kernel with minimal API layers to make a vaguely functional system but that would seem to indicate that they have also refactored the kernel too to improve the API layering.

On a similar note, there's a great rebuttal to a hilariously* misguided blog post about MinWin here

*warning - may only be amusing to programmers.
From: af (CAER) 6 Nov 2008 22:55
To: koswix 18 of 55
From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX) 6 Nov 2008 23:50
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 19 of 55

I have just finished installing it on to a VM with 1.5Gb RAM. It's running great and pretty fast as well. I installed the Windows 7 superbar hack as well. Its a shame Vm does nto support D3D becuase the bar has lots of snazzy 3D functions. Its pretty much what Vista should have been. moving the tasks around is great and pinning to start bar is pretty useful.

 

Need to play with it some more, it does freeze for no reason when opening certain programs (word pad for one)

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From: koswix 7 Nov 2008 00:32
To: af (CAER) 20 of 55
Ooh, that looks like just the thing. Must try and remember to install it when I get home.
From: af (CAER) 7 Nov 2008 00:34
To: koswix 21 of 55
It's even got an option to not appear in the system tray, for maximum unobtrusiveness.
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 7 Nov 2008 01:03
To: Mal (BAD) 22 of 55
I just watched the interview with Mark Russinovich on Channel9, and he said MinWin is an ongoing project to remove upward dependencies in the kernel, which means they can draw a line at the layer which includes the functionality they need (for testing, mainly) and be sure that what they build won't have any dangling bits. It also means they can change or replace APIs more easily since they can reliably map the relationships between them.
From: koswix 7 Nov 2008 22:01
To: af (CAER) 23 of 55

Thanks for the reminder.

 

Just installed it - I love how in the options if you select not to display the system tray icon it puts up a sad face (giggle)

From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 9 Nov 2008 06:30
To: af (CAER) 24 of 55
Ahaha, I love the message you get when you disable the systray icon :')
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)16 Nov 2008 23:13
To: ALL25 of 55

I went to a presentation on Windows 7 at TechEd, and the guy was running the latest build with all the task-bar-y goodness working. He went into a fair bit of detail about what it means for application developers.

 

They've merged the task bar, quick launch bar and custom toolbars together; running applications get a single icon (if they're on the taskbar already as shortcuts, they just get a visual indication that they're now running. Mousing over the icon for a running program gives you little preview thumbnails of all windows for that app (and all tabs in the case of IE8 - the application developer can define what's shown in the thumbnails).

 

The thumbnails can also have buttons on them, so for example, Media Player has your basic play/stop/fwd/back buttons. From the thumbnail, you can view a full-size preview of the window, or actually go to the window, if you really want to. The task bar icon can also have an overlay (MSN style indicators, for exampled), and a progress indicator. It's all quite nifty, although I'm not sure what mouse-phobic alt-tabbers will make of it, and it will no doubt piss of Peter Boughton for reasons that are completely different to everyone else's reasons for being pissed off.

 

There's also a right-click context menu for quick launch applications - it lets you see your recent file list or whatever (if it's that's kind of app) or open the app in certain ways (if it's that kind of app). For example - Word will show you your recent files, WinIPConfig7 would give you options to release and renew IP addresses, purge your DNS cache and that kind of thing.

 

The way the system tray works is being changed round, so that only things that the user chooses to have in it will be displayed in it.

 

Under the covers, they claim to have done a load of optimising, and have apparently made a load of efficiency improvements over Vista; the example the guy gave was DVD playback - you get an extra hour of hotel-room pornfapping out of your laptop battery with Windows 7. (He maybe didn't describe it exactly like that).

 

Also in Windows 7: Notepad Multitouch. It's awesome.

 

 

EDITED: 16 Nov 2008 23:16 by WINGNUTKJ
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 4 Jan 2009 20:26
To: ALL26 of 55

And now I'm posting this from the 6.1.7000 build that's doing the rounds, which is probably the proper beta. Initially installed as an upgrade over Vista, which didn't go so well: the performance was appalling and Outlook wouldn't connect to the remote Exchange server. Format and fresh install and it's all looking a lot better.

 

The new taskbar is ace, big improvement over the Windows 95 one. Performance seems good but obviously it's a clean install so that's an ongoing thing. Other than that there's a lot of tweaks and refinements to the Vista UX, which are very welcome.

 

Office 2007 and Visual Studio Team System 2008 both seem to work fine.

 

It's installed on my work laptop (I also have a desktop which is still on XP SP3 for legacy support reasons) so I'm using it for real unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong. Woo.

From: ANT_THOMAS 4 Jan 2009 20:30
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 27 of 55

Read a few bits where it is actually faster than XP and Vista in supposed "Real World" tasks which is nice to know.

 

I'm very tempted to give it a go. I've always gone straight into using Beta versions of Windows full time. Probably quite a stupid thing to do but ah well!

 

Could do with a fresh install in this laptop anyway.

From: Dave!! 4 Jan 2009 21:08
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 28 of 55
I'll have to give that a try on my spare PC here. Sounds good though!
From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX) 4 Jan 2009 21:13
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 29 of 55

I have just installed that on Sun xVM virtualbox to test the new direct
3D function but alas it did not work as Windows 7 still see's the GC as a stanarad VGA card. Still it was the fasted installed of a new OS that I have ever seen. Fully installed in around 12 minutes which is pretty good. I gave it 1.5Gb of ram and it runs a rather well. I have not installed any applications yet but thats the next test.

From: ANT_THOMAS 4 Jan 2009 23:57
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 30 of 55
Oh, does it play well with Vista drivers?