In/out/shake it all about

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)27 Jun 2016 13:36
To: milko 65 of 93
I think Labour's one chance of winning a snap election, albeit a very slim one, was for it to consolidate behind Corbyn, and help him to capitalize on the 'brexit buyers' remorse', which financial markets are turning into a roaring conflagration as we speak.

If they're going into a bitter and divisive leadership campaign, which Corbyn is almost bound to win if his name is on the ballot (according to party rules, it must be), then they might as well throw in the towel now, and prepare for a Boris coronation.
EDITED: 27 Jun 2016 13:36 by DSMITHHFX
From: koswix27 Jun 2016 16:04
To: fixrman 66 of 93
Very few figures were given, those that were were not cited, and stating an opinion ("too much immigration" or "the euro has failed" for example) does it make them fact, they are still just opinion.
From: william (WILLIAMA)27 Jun 2016 16:50
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 67 of 93
I heard him speak about 6 months ago and he came over well, but that was with a receptive audience. He treats his audience with respect and doesn't dumb down his message which means that with a proportion of the electorate he is bound to fail. Somebody like Boris who comes on with arms aloft and announces 'Big!' nods a couple of times and follows through with 'Shiny!' will succeed.

But Corbyn's real problem is the opposition ranked against him, and that's the vast majority of the press and other media and his own parliamentary party who were busy briefing against him before the ink was dry on his candidacy. The behaviour of both is just jaw-dropping. If there's a Tory crisis then expect the story to be 'Corbyn not up to exploiting Tory crisis' and the press can pick from twenty third way Labour MPs to provide soundbites. You will almost never see footage of one of his speeches. What you will see is Laura Kuenssberg with her claims about what he must be thinking, usually with a few of her barbed remarks presented as factual reporting. On Saturday morning The BBC gave Ann Coffey an 'interview' where she was able to present a character assassination of Corbyn without a challenge or critical question. the following morning, a scheduled appearance by the shadow chancellor John McDonnell was replaced with an interview with Hilary Benn, again largely unchallenged and uncritical. Sweet old Hilary gave his faint praise destruction of Corbyn with relish, every inch the conspirator - the kind of thing that would have had his father spinning in his grave.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)30 Jun 2016 15:03
To: ALL68 of 93
Whoa.

Just like that, BoJo's out
From: ANT_THOMAS30 Jun 2016 15:15
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 69 of 93


The 7 days since the referendum are getting very much out of hand.
From: dave (10_ROGUE)30 Jun 2016 15:16
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 70 of 93
Wasn't he moved from education secretary to chief whip before the last election because no one can stand him?  What does he think has changed?  I thought there was more than a touch of machiavelli about him, but he's pulled a proper bait and switch with Boris.


 
EDITED: 30 Jun 2016 15:17 by 10_ROGUE
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)30 Jun 2016 15:19
To: ANT_THOMAS 71 of 93
Captain's locked himself in his cabin with a bottle of rum and service revolver, mutineers are either fist-fighting or jumping overboard.

Icebergs ahead...

 (fail)  (fail)  (fail)
From: graphitone30 Jun 2016 16:14
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 72 of 93


As much as I dislike the current lot, I'm backing Theresa May for PM. She seems the most staunch, forthright and switched on of the lot.
From: koswix30 Jun 2016 16:18
To: graphitone 73 of 93
That's like saying rhubarb is the the most staunch, forthright and switched on. Only because it's forced to develop in artificial conditions.

Theresa May is probably the most dangerous of the lot, as she is severely ideologically driven and seems to have the skills to pull off her ideas. At least gove wouldn't actually manage to fuck anything up.
From: ANT_THOMAS30 Jun 2016 16:28
To: koswix 74 of 93
^^^^ This

She was the one who rolled out the disgusting "Go Home" immigration vans. Ideologically strong and happy to go about making things actually happen.
From: graphitone30 Jun 2016 16:33
To: koswix 75 of 93
 :-D I like rhubarb.

Yeah, I'm fed up of fucking impotent politicians, she'd be effective, I just don't think it'd be a good thing. 

If Gove was elected, he'd only add to his hugely unpopular status.
From: milko30 Jun 2016 16:37
To: graphitone 76 of 93
May will probably be efficiently and competently evil yes. What's this with her and the Yarl's Wood sexual offences? I haven't read up on it properly but her handling of that was reportedly Very Bad.

I have almost come to like how each day answers the question "Can this get any worse and farcical?" with "Sure, why not?"
From: koswix30 Jun 2016 17:06
To: graphitone 77 of 93
Everyone likes rhubarb, and thankfully rhubarb doesn't hold many inflammatory views.
From: Manthorp30 Jun 2016 17:26
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 78 of 93
It's not Westminster, it's Jonestown.
From: Matt30 Jun 2016 21:11
To: koswix 79 of 93
Quote: 
At least gove wouldn't actually manage to fuck anything up.
You forget that he used to be Minister of Education.
From: koswix30 Jun 2016 22:15
To: Matt 80 of 93
Did he actually manage to do anything in that position? I thought everyone just ignored him.
From: ANT_THOMAS30 Jun 2016 22:18
To: koswix 81 of 93
Does demotivating the UK's teachers count?
From: koswix30 Jun 2016 22:44
To: ANT_THOMAS 82 of 93
I'm pretty sure that's what happens just by /having/ an Education Secretary.
From: graphitone 1 Jul 2016 08:07
To: koswix 83 of 93
It comes from having an education secretary that wants to be seen to be doing something, no matter the consequences, or how asinine the policy.

To be fair, that probably covers the majority, but Gove was a special case.
From: koswix 1 Jul 2016 09:08
To: graphitone 84 of 93
Gove is often a special case.