Euro elections

From: Mouse 3 Jun 2009 19:35
To: ALL4 of 36
I have to say, I did have to read this to fully get my head round things.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 3 Jun 2009 20:39
To: JonCooper 5 of 36
The poll's a bit retarded, or perhaps it's BH, because if you don't intend to vote then the second group of questions is irrelevant, yet BH insists that you have to vote in every group. Duh!
From: JonCooper 3 Jun 2009 20:51
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 6 of 36
it's not BH, it's me - but if you don't intend to vote you can use the "don't know who I'll vote for"

anyway - are you in this? don't you live somewhere that doesn't play this game?
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 3 Jun 2009 20:55
To: JonCooper 7 of 36
quote: JonCooper
but if you don't intend to vote you can use the "don't know who I'll vote for"

Nope, there's a difference between not intending to vote and not knowing who to vote for. The latter suggests intent but indecision.

And, indeed, I live where the Euro votes don't. But even if I did I doubt that I would.
EDITED: 3 Jun 2009 20:55 by MR_BASTARD
From: dave (10_ROGUE) 4 Jun 2009 00:44
To: JonCooper 8 of 36

I would love to know what % of people will cast there vote based on EU issues. We have had leaflets through from all the major parties (even had one of those novelty loud speaker cars drive past) and with the exception of a couple of sentences in the Conservative one about MEPs wasting money, none of them seem to be bothering with anthing EU related or specific.

 

/rant: And bloody William Hague telling people they should use the EU elections to show Gordon Brown how annoyed they are, no they shouldn't they should use it to vote for the people that will best represent their interests in the European Parliament.

From: koswix 4 Jun 2009 00:58
To: JonCooper 9 of 36

Anyone who lives anywhere that the BNP even has a sniff at getting in should vote. I don't care who for, but obviously not for the BNP.

 

I've done a fair bit of anti-BNP leafleting this year, and I really hope that those cunts don't get a Euro seat.

 

But I forgot to register myself, so I can't vote tomorrow :$

From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) 4 Jun 2009 01:49
To: koswix 10 of 36
I don't know exactly where they're trying to get in this time, but I've had a lot of leaflets at my flat in Salford. :(
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 4 Jun 2009 05:09
To: JonCooper 11 of 36
I'm going to vote in the Council elections because there's some idiot independent who may well win, which would be a disaster.
From: koswix 4 Jun 2009 11:00
To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) 12 of 36

West-midlands is the main area, then the North-West.

 

Also a chance in some south-easterly areas, too.

 

Best way to keep them out is to vote Green.

From: milko 4 Jun 2009 11:30
To: koswix 13 of 36
Is it? Apparently they're doing some spectacularly dumb things at the moment. But regardless, how does voting for another minority party help (genuine question).
From: koswix 4 Jun 2009 11:38
To: milko 14 of 36

Because it's a kinda proportional representation thing designed to get more minority parties elected.

 

With each round of seat allocation it gets harder for the bigger parties to get a seat, and easier for the minority parties. So the most effective way to keep the BNP out is to give more votes to other minorities

 

This vid explains it a bit more clearly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0uHWxhLgs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenparty.org.uk%2F&feature=player_embedded

From: milko 4 Jun 2009 11:55
To: koswix 15 of 36
OK. http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/06/political-science-be-careful-what-you-vote-for.html is the kind of thing putting me off Greens though. One set of morons that are less bad than another set of morons barely seems worth bothering with.
From: JonCooper 4 Jun 2009 11:57
To: koswix 16 of 36
got another suggestion if I don't like the greens?
(they are anti land rover)
From: johngti_mk-ii 4 Jun 2009 11:58
To: JonCooper 17 of 36
(In general or in cities/built up urban areas?)
From: JonCooper 4 Jun 2009 12:24
To: johngti_mk-ii 18 of 36
far as I can tell they are pretty much anti-car, but Discoveries seem top of the hit list
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From: milko 4 Jun 2009 14:22
To: Mr (M00RL0CK) 20 of 36
I think PR means that it may be about as bad if they get enough of a turnout. And the extreme types do tend to get good turnout from what support they have.
From: JonCooper 4 Jun 2009 16:55
To: Mr (M00RL0CK) 21 of 36
there was a guy on the radio this afternoon complaining about non-voters being described as 'apathetic' - his arguement was that there are NO suitable candidates that represented his views etc and so the only choice available to him was to not vote - not because he couldn't be bothered, but because none of the choices were acceptable
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From: koswix 4 Jun 2009 17:26
To: Mr (M00RL0CK) 23 of 36

>>Surely you should vote for who you want to represent you, rather than effectively voting against other parties?

 

Surely that's kinda the /point/ of democracy. If you want one party to win then by definition you don't want the other party(ies) to win.