Ha.

From: koswix 2 May 2008 11:21
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Perhaps Labour HQ will finally get the message that their 'heartlands' want an actual Labour government, not the lame excuse that is New Labour (fail) .

 

Hell, even we (the single biggest donor of the Labour Party) are finally speaking out against New Lab/Brown/et all.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 2 May 2008 11:26
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Unfortunately it's not that far off how bad they did last local elections. They never do well in local elections (lately, past decade or so) but always bounce right back for general elections. From like ~20% up to ~30+%.

Annoying but there it is.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 2 May 2008 11:27
To: koswix 4 of 59
Trouble is those heartlands aren't enough to get them elected and they have to appeal the the middle classes. The middle classes choose our government which is like 99% of what makes me (fail) at democracy.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 2 May 2008 11:29
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Also, I'm pleased to note that an absolute majority of 65% voted for not voting.
From: koswix 2 May 2008 11:48
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 6 of 59

This is true.

 

:(

From: milko 2 May 2008 11:48
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 7 of 59
Are you as dismayed as most right-thinking people that we appear to have selected a joke candidate for mayor of the capital city? LOL! Sigh :(
From: Kriv 2 May 2008 11:53
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 8 of 59
Toryboy
From: ANT_THOMAS 2 May 2008 11:55
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They seemed to be concentrating a lot on Bury on Newsnight, it went blue. I'm not happy :(
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 2 May 2008 12:12
To: milko 10 of 59
Are you suggesting that Ken wasn't a (tragically unfunny) joke?
From: milko 2 May 2008 13:12
To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 11 of 59
An awful lot less of one than Boris's campaign appears to be. Congestion charge! Silly hair! Routemaster buses! LOL stupid comment! Start a Facebook group in support! FFS.

Still, so long as people can drive their colossal SUVs through Chelsea and then get on an old fashioned bus, that's ok.
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 2 May 2008 15:12
To: milko 12 of 59
In all seriousness, Boris does actually have some very sensible transport policies:

  • Londoners must see more police on the buses, especially in outer London. This is why I will double the number of police officers to patrol them.
  • Suburban stations need to be safer, which is why I will provide funding for 50 extra British Transport Police Officers to patrol the worst stations.
  • The bendy bus is unsuitable for London's streets, they are twice as dangerous as non-articulated buses and have almost three times the rate of fare evasion. I will phase out bendy buses and run a new competition to find a 21st century Routemaster that has full disabled access, runs on clean fuel and has conductors.
  • I will introduce live, interactive bus tracking so you can see where your bus is and avoid long waits at the bus stop.
  • The tube needs to be rescued from the ruins of Gordon Brown's finance deal, so that vital upgrades that were promised actually happen. I will look again at having an air-conditioned tube. We need to take the thumbs of the RMT off the windpipe of London commuters with a no-strike deal that gives both sides the benefit of an independent arbitrator.
  • The Congestion Charge must be reformed. Congestion has now risen above pre-Congestion Charge levels. Ken Livingstone's £25 levy will not improve congestion or emissions and will hit families and small businesses - it is a stick with which to beat motorists which is why I will not introduce it.
  • Cars stuck in traffic emit more than cars that are moving so we need to rephase traffic lights to get traffic moving more smoothly and to achieve this, I will lobby government for powers to fine utility companies that run overtime when digging up the roads.
  • We must also encourage Londoners to walk and cycle more and I will provide £2 million for safe cycle parking. I will work with boroughs to improve existing cycle and walking routes.
  • I will fight for London's rail commuters and campaign for longer trains, more frequent services and Oyster at all stations*.
  • The Freedom Pass will be protected as an untouchable right for London pensioners.
  • Injured veterans who live in London will be able to travel free on London buses.
  • I will lobby for long-term projects that London needs, including the Oxford Street Tram, East London Line Phase 2, DLR and Transit extensions and the Crossrail to Ebbsfleet.
  • We will continue to oppose the construction of a third runway at Heathrow airport.


*My personal favourite.
EDITED: 2 May 2008 15:12 by RENDLE
From: milko 2 May 2008 16:01
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I'll be impressed if he gets Oyster pay as you go at the overground stations, isn't that a problem of all the other train operators needing to be cut in on it, and therefore more or less unworkable for now? It'd help me out a bit if it got sorted. Apart from that, hrrm. A massive new expensive bus project for no particularly good reason - I have no love for the bendy ones but the stats suggest they're not nearly as bad as made out from what I read, even the cyclist association said they weren't any more dangerous than regular ones. And another empty promise to do aircon on the tube? When I see it.
From: koswix 2 May 2008 16:13
To: ALL14 of 59
I like the free busses :(
From: Radio 2 May 2008 16:26
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I like they way he's magically finding money to pay for all these projects and police officers without saying how he's going to fund it...
From: william 2 May 2008 16:30
To: Radio 16 of 59
That would be from sales of the oysters being served at all stations.
From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) 2 May 2008 16:38
To: Radio 18 of 59
I think most of the money is going to come from the cessation of pointless, expensive, self-aggrandising advertising.
From: milko 2 May 2008 17:07
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wow! That I will have to see to believe!
From: ANT_THOMAS 2 May 2008 17:07
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I agree. They don't need to advertise London int north :@
From: spinning_plates 2 May 2008 17:09
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It strikes me that what will happen is probably very similar to what has happened re: the Liberals and Conservatives here in Canada. It's a somewhat different system, but the general situation seems a lot like a re-run of what we saw here in 2006. The party in power had been there some while and public opinion of them had gradually been going downhill, so when general election time came around the Liberals got kicked out and the Conservatives formed a minority government. Despite it being a minority they've successfully (for them) metagamed their way through the last two years to hang on to power despite a slew of decisions which most Canadians I've talked to disagree with.

Meanwhile the Liberal party were unable to elect themselves a charismatic enough leader to seriously fight back and so we're stuck with a government definitely worse than the previous one, but with no serious option to get them out any time soon.

Of course one could say that the British situation now is also analogous to the situation with Major in the early 90s.

Meh, I don't like Cameron (which is not to say I particularly like Brown either) and I think when he (I think virtually inevitably) takes office at the next election a lot of people who currently think they like him will be disappointed that he's no better and not even significantly different from either Blair or Brown - all the people who blame the Labour government for Britain's woes will just carry on blaming the government, it'll just be a Conservative one.

However, more... concerning (?) is Boris. The man is infamous not for being the butt of jokes, but simply for being a joke. The reason they loved having him on HIGNFY was that you could literally guarantee he would do or say something that would have damaged the reputation of the person performing the action, except that it's not as if he really had a reputation that could be hurt by that kind of thing in the first place.

Then again, what do I know - I've never lived in London and I don't even live in the UK any more. Still, I do try to pay attention to what's going on in limey-land.
EDITED: 2 May 2008 17:11 by SPINNING_PLATES