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To AV or not to AV
From: Dave!!
4 May 2011 10:58
To: PNCOOL
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I'm going for yes. Simply because I like that AV does away with the need to tactically vote all the time. This way, you can actually vote for the candidate you really want, but then cover your vote with a 2nd place for the main none-Tory candidate (or whatever).
FPTP encourages too much of people voting not for who they want, but for who they feel has the best chance of defeating the candidate that they definitely don't want.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)
4 May 2011 11:03
To: PNCOOL
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They both suck, but FPTP sucks
way
more.
More importantly though, voting no will make any future change to a better system very unlikely to happen, whilst voting yes will make it possible to have a more fully representative system in future.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
4 May 2011 11:11
To: ALL
5 of 115
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I probably wont vote because while I'm in favour of voting reform and think the present system sucks a lot of dick, AV is just as fucking shit in that it still massively favours major parties. It is in no way proportional.
Also, I have a hard enough time trying to find
one
candidate who is not too objectionable to vote for. Trying to find two is asking a bit much.
I can't believe what utter fucking cunts the Lib Dems have become. Allying with the tories, going back on student loans and now accepting this pathetic half-arsed non-compromise rather than pushing for actual genuine voting reform.
So yeah, I can't vote for it, because it's shit. But I can't vote against it, because the current system is equally shit (and that's the bit which really pisses me off, they are
equally shit
). There is no 'they are both shit, give us actual reform please' option so yet again none of the options represent my opinions/beliefs.
Fuck you Lib Dems.
Fuck
you.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
4 May 2011 11:13
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP)
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quote:
voting yes will make it possible to have a more fully representative system in future
It really won't.
From: ANT_THOMAS
4 May 2011 11:15
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
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You obviously already know this, but you don't have to pick more than one person (if you can even decide to pick one). You'd still be able to use your AV voting slip like FPTP.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
4 May 2011 11:18
To: ANT_THOMAS
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Aye, I'm just saying the added 'opportunity' to vote for another of these lying cunts is of no value to me.
From: ANT_THOMAS
4 May 2011 11:26
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
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Stay at home and moan on the internet then
:@
(hugleft)
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
4 May 2011 11:33
To: ANT_THOMAS
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Maybe I
will
.
:((
(hugleft)
EDITED: 4 May 2011 11:33 by X3N0PH0N
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)
4 May 2011 11:38
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N)
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Why not?
A successful No result will just mean lab/con get almost all of the votes next time.
A successful Yes result means more chance of smaller/independent candidates getting seats.
Less seats for the major parties can only be a good thing (in general), and must make further reform more likely to succeed?
From: koswix
4 May 2011 11:41
To: PNCOOL
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Yes to AV as it's slightly less shit, and *could* see smaller parties win more seats (but probably wont)