Is the Labour party now so sick, it's fit for power? - Teh Forum

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Turns out he was right all along.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/24/nigel-farage-says-mental-health-cases-hugely-overdiagnosed">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/24/nigel-farage-says-mental-health-cases-hugely-overdiagnosed</a><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 24 Apr 22:15 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.37&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">25 Apr 22:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Apr 22:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.38">43031.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_37" target="_self">43031.37</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hahaha. What has haaaaaaaappppppppened.<br /> <br /> Looking forward to my choice between four right-wing parties and the greens next election. Hey, maybe the greens will also be tories by then!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.38&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_39"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_39"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">25 Apr 23:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Apr 10:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">39 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.39">43031.39</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_38" target="_self">43031.38</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was a bit cross at myself after posting that - don't want to be over negative and fed up with being a doom-scroller. But what the hell; it's almost word for word. Mind you, since we live in "TOYLAND" nobody else appears to have noticed.<br /> <br /> When I was 6 or 7 my dad took me to see <em>Babes in Toyland</em> which sort of sounds like something you didn't oughta google, but is actually quite innocent. Except the <em>Forest of No Return</em> scared the shit out of me.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.39&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.39"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">28 Apr 10:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Apr 11:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.40">43031.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_39" target="_self">43031.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'd only heard of Babes in Toyland as a band!<br /> <br /> Looking it up, which of the several films of that title do you mean? I think I've seen the Laurel and Hardy one but I assume you don't mean that!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.40&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">28 Apr 11:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Apr 01:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.41">43031.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_40" target="_self">43031.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babes_in_Toyland_(1961_film)">This</a> one. <br /> <br /> And <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zQeQunbBmk">this</a> is the forest scene that <em>nearly</em> made a six-year-old me wet myself.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.41&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">29 Apr 02:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Apr 10:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.42">43031.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_41" target="_self">43031.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hahaha. Yeah that's got that sickly nightmarish quality that a lot of Disney stuff from that era has.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.42&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Apr 11:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 29 Apr 12:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.43">43031.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_41" target="_self">43031.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Never watched it, I only remember the super-irritating theme song.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.43&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 2 May 15:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 04:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.44">43031.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.28">43031.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I just posted this sentiment on fedi - I don't get what their plan is electorally.</div> <br /> Yeah, I saw that post and indications so far from this round of council elections suggest that you were bang on the money. Council election turnouts are usually low, but considering the political turmoil of today, it's sad to see 70% of the electorate staying at home. I can only assume that the general view is that the vote is unimportant since there's precious little policy difference between the main contenders. <br /> <br /> The Runcorn by-election had a "normal" turnout (for a by-election) of 46% and the SIX VOTE win by Reform is not a shock. As with the council elections, when the turnout is modest, a party with zealous voters has an advantage. Plus, of course, no point in voting Tory here.<br /> <br /> Starmer has announced radical plans to address voter indifference and inject some vigour into the national debate, promising hope for the future. This involves doing exactly the same as now, only more so. More austerity, more fuel to the woke wars, more refugees thrown back in the sea, less focus on things that those rough boys won't like.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 2 May 15:02 by WILLIAMA</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.44&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 05:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 09:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.45">43031.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_44" target="_self">43031.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah I wish people would get it through their heads that Reform are the symptom, not the problem.<br /> <br /> It's not Reform who've opened the door to the populist right, it's decades of austerity, stagnant wages, crumbling infrastructure and culture war bullshit from dreary centrists who're more afraid of (mildly) upsetting the markets and donors than of the far right.<br /> <br /> And we have a Labour government *doubling the fuck down* on exactly what got us here in the first place (as you've said). Which would be kinda understandable from Tories - they may well be willing to accept a lurch to the right rather than conceding ideological ground - but is fucking baffling from Labour.<br /> <br /> Things are obviously shit. Everyone can see that. And the only party acknowledging that is Reform. I think, aside from anything else, people just want to vote for someone who says they'll *do* something. They want some sort of action to combat how shit things have gotten. They want *policy*. It's why Corbyn and Bernie did as well as they did and it's why Reform and Trump are winning.<br /> <br /> The political elites are either criminally out of touch or aware of this and making the calculation that they'd rather have the far right than upset the wealthy. And both of those alternatives are fucking terrifying.<br /> <br /> The only glimmer of hope is the Greens doing pretty well. They <s>gained a council I believe and </s>even had a decent showing where I live, which is kinda nuts (Reform: 38.8%, Tories: 38.1%, Green: 13.4%, Labour: 9.7%). They'd need to change fairly drastically to become a mass party and the unions would need to defect before they could accomplish anything but... it's a start, maybe.<br /> <br /> (edit: I think I dreamt them winning a council)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 May 05:12 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.45&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a43031_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_43031_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 13:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 May 04:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 48</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.46">43031.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=43031.37#a43031_45" target="_self">43031.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Trump has already pissed off and frightened a lot of people who voted for him (pretty much as anyone with half a fucking brain predicted). There are signs Congress and the courts want to apply the brakes. Maybe not a brilliant model to fawn over.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=43031.46&return_msg=43031.37" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="43031.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="43031.47" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>