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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.0&return_msg=42505.44"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.51">51–60</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.91">91–94</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42505.44">General Election 2019</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42505_44_94_10"> <a name="a42505_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">11 Dec 2019 13:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Dec 2019 13:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44">42505.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.40">42505.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I don't know the gory details of their past missteps, but I prefer to blame "left wing politics" becoming the persona non grata / third rail of certain, um 'democracies' (e.g. US, UK, and yes, Canada), on media conglomeration, and the rise of billionaire feudalism, at the expense of all life on earth (eventually... soon -ish). This UK GE, and the USian impeachment process, are both part and parcel of an existential struggle between human greed and human survival --> two go in, one comes out. And I'm fucking scared. <span class="emoticon e_angry" title=":-@"><span class="e__">:-@</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.44&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">11 Dec 2019 20:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Dec 2019 08:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.45">42505.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.19">42505.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hard to call really. Scotland is fairly well split down the middle on the independence question, and the vast majority can't see past that when evaluating Sturgeon.<br /> <br /> At a place I worked around the time of the last indy ref i heard colleagues (mostly retirement age men) who were diehard unionists and idiots go on about how 'she's definitely shagging Salmond' and practically in the same breath say 'bet she's a fucking lesbian'.<br /> <br /> They were also out and out racists, which was pleasant. Two of the old guys (we're talking in their 70s here) got sacked eventually for having a full on fisticuffs session (including one of them vaulting over the customer service desk to land a punch on the other <span class="emoticon e_happycry" title=":'D"><span class="e__">:'D</span></span> ), I'm not sure of the exact reason why it started but it was probably football related.<br /> <br /> <br /> Apart from that she's got mixed reviews really. Anyone against independence focuses solely on the areas that are not going so well (mainly NHS and the, thankfully now dropped, 'named person scheme' where every child was to be appointed a named 'responsible adult' contact point with pretty ill defined reasoning and powers involved), where as those who are ambivolent or for independence I think generally think she's doing an OK job. Doing well in some areas, pish in others.<br /> <br /> They've been in power for quite some time up here now, I think they've had to learn a hell of a lot in fairly short space of time and on the whole I think they're doing OK. I'll be voting SNP tomorrow, because a) I hate the tories and b) Scottish Labour is dead*. Their policies are largely in line with my views (certainly more so than New Labour, but not as much as Corbyn's Labour (which I don't agree with all of either)).<br /> <br /> <br /> *they died around 1998 when they brought in devolution and it was revealed how much contempt Scottish Labour had for, well, Scotland. It just took a decade for the corpse to stop moving.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.45&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 20:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">46 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.46">42505.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Anecdotally, big turnout, looking a lot closer than just a couple of days ago.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.46&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 22:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">47 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.47">42505.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Exit poll predicting an 86 seat Conservative majority. <span class="emoticon e_cry" title=":'("><span class="e__">:'(</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.47&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 22:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">48 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.48">42505.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Bit of a shitter for you lot, eh?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.48&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 23:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Dec 2019 20:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.49">42505.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44#a42505_48" target="_self">42505.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If Scotland gets another referendum (in spite of Johnson's implacable resistance), votes for independence, splits off the UK, and rejoins the EU, I wonder how citizenship and residency will be dealt with.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.49&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 23:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Dec 2019 23:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.50">42505.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44#a42505_49" target="_self">42505.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Code:</strong> </div> <pre class="code"> If Scotland gets another referendum (in spite of Johnson's implacable resistance) </pre> Rather than asking the UK Government for a legally binding referendum and getting refused, I have a theory the Scottish Government will get round it by somehow holding an advisory referendum instead. That'd be fucking <em>hilarious</em>.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.50&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 23:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Dec 2019 23:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.51">42505.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44#a42505_50" target="_self">42505.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And as ever, I'll re-iterate my belief that it would all be a lot easier if England elected to leave the United Kingdom if it wants to leave the EU.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.51&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 23:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Dec 2019 11:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.52">42505.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44#a42505_51" target="_self">42505.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Of course, what I'm really wondering is what the chances are of getting Scottish nationality in the event that things get even worse down here in Little England. It looks like I'll be stuck with fuckers like Johnson, Mogg and the Hugo Boss suited Raab as my rulers until I'm nearly sixty fucking nine years old and I'd like to be somewhere with a more humane care policy before fucking Sid legs it with all the NHS shares.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.52&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Dec 2019 23:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Dec 2019 23:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.53">42505.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.44#a42505_52" target="_self">42505.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Incidentally, in true right-wing tradition, it seems like Gypsies and Travellers will be early targets of the benevolent Johnson administration with police powers to seize their vehicles and property (i.e. their homes) and intentional trespass becoming a criminal offence. That last proposal about trespass is an interesting one with even wider implications.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.53&return_msg=42505.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42505.54" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>