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A game of two halves.<br /><br /> Trouble is, because they're stupid nothing you can say will make the slightest difference.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.43&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">16 Sep 2014 00:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 2014 06:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.44">41193.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.41">41193.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That too. It is a too way street. But stupid men never do. Even smart men don't.<br /><br /> I figured you would know what I was talking about. The smart women already keep their legs closed, insist on precautions or take the steps themselves.<br /><br /> Actually here, it might be construed to mean they should engage in bum fun instead. Anyway, I thought you called it a boot over there...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Sep 2014 00:53 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.44&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 2014 03:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 01:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.45">41193.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_44" target="_self">41193.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What Kos said. I agree with (and enjoyed) the bulk of your post but that line about women is <em>totally</em> unacceptable.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.45&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Linn (INDYLS)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 2014 12:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">46 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.46">41193.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Oh boy. I started to formulate a reply but what Truffy said is too true - to paraphrase, nothing you say to stupid makes the slightest difference. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.46&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Sep 2014 14:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Linn (INDYLS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Sep 2014 15:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.47">41193.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_46" target="_self">41193.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Try me.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.47&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 01:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 01:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.48">41193.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_45" target="_self">41193.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, nothing like focusing on one aspect of something and only commenting on that.<br /><br /> Obviously, you didn't get it. The comment was <em>not</em> directed at <u>all</u> women, because all women are decidedly not stupid. But in this day and age, women who become pregnant against their wishes - with all the possible forms of contraception available - <u>nearly everywhere</u>, there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy to occur. Further clarification on what was previously posted. Problem is too many use abortion as a birth control method - at least here.<br /><br /> Stupid: Ill-advised, foolish, shortsighted, unthinking. I think they all fit. The Apostle Paul used silly to describe certain women. Perhaps that would have been a better fit.<br /><br /> Silly: irresponsible, imprudent, immature. Yes, that is a better fit.<br /><br /> Terry: Say Karen, how's about a bit of boom-boom?<br /><br /> Karen: Not prudent at this juncture, Terry - you've got no protection.<br /><br /> Terry: Aw, c'mon luv! Just a bit o...<br /><br /> Karen: No!<br /><br /> She has to carry it, I'd say the woman's got a bigger stake in it than the cad who is likely love 'em and leave 'em. The guy has a moral obligation, but how many take it? By the rate of young, single moms - at least here, not many.<br /><br /> Perhaps I am just old-fashioned, or just old. <span class="emoticon e_moustache" title=":-{)"><span class="e__">:-{)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.48&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 02:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 02:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.49">41193.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_48" target="_self">41193.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Well, nothing like focusing on one aspect of something and only commenting on that.</span></div> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">I agree with (and enjoyed) the bulk of your post</span></div> <br /> Literally commented on the entire post, you madman.<br /><br /> The problem is singling out the women. In fact you say later:<br /><br /> Ok I can't do proper quotes any more, so here's an old fashioned quote:<br /><br /> "<span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">The guy has a moral obligation, but how many take it? By the rate of young, single moms - at least here, not many.</span>"<br /><br /> You kinda excuse the men. The tone is: Boys will be boys, so it's up to the women to take responsibility.<br /><br /> Regardless of who bears the brunt of the consequences, if someone gets pregnant then (in usual circumstances) two people are equally responsible.<br /><br /> "<span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Further clarification on what was previously posted. Problem is too many use abortion as a birth control method - at least here.</span>"<br /><br /> I really don't believe that many do. I'm sure that <em>some </em>do, a tiny fraction, and you're right in that anyone behaving this way is 'too many'. But really it's entirely up to them, if they <em>want</em> to behave that way then that is their responsibility, that's the point of choice. While <em>I</em> believe that's wrong, I don't believe the state has any right to proscribe that behaviour (though I do think healthcare professionals should intervene).</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.49&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 03:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 03:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.50">41193.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_49" target="_self">41193.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I DO NOT excuse the men AT ALL. Don't try to put words in my mouth by telling me what my tone was. If you don't know or understand, please ask in the future because you don't know me well enough to know my mind.<br /><br /> The simple fact that some if not many men are in fact quite adept at walking away from responsibility and the women <em>know it </em>means that <em>someone</em> has to be the sensible one. For the sake of the woman who has to carry the child and be responsible for bringing the child up through the years (if the male refuses), she then has to put on the limits. The men won't and you know it. They will press for advantage at any opportunity. Surely you aren't young and naive enough not to know this. I have seen it time and again within my own extended family.<br /><br /> Ever heard this: How do you know it's mine?<br /><br /> My grandmother was given to say, "A stiff prick has no conscience". She knew that as a young girl in the 1930s and it is still true today. Yes, <u>two people</u> are responsible. But if the man walks away, the girl is left holding the bag. It isn't fair or right, but it is how it ends up all too often.<br /><br /> Fathers should teach their sons responsibility and restraint. I taught mine to be a gentleman, what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. But at some point he has to make choices for himself. I can't be there forever.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I really don't believe that many do</div> <p>In this case, what you believe is irrelevant. Although the data may be somewhat flawed because people tend not to be truthful in this situation, many women - 40% or more - report to not have been using any form of birth control when being counseled for abortion.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The former About.com Pro-Choice Guide wrote that 42% of abortions are obtained by women who were not using contraception.<br /><br /> The hard-liners, defining "abortion as birth control" as any abortion chosen because the woman doesn't want to have the baby, put the "abortions as birth control" rate at 95%. The middle ground, judging by repeat abortions, puts "abortions as birth control" at 45%. And the most conservative count, just counting abortions on women who weren't using contraception, put "abortions as birth control" at 42%. Even the low end, the conservative estimate of 42%, is still, by anybody's reckoning, a lot of abortions.</div> <p>So if one is not using birth control and decides tohave an abortion, it would seem to follow that pregnancy is undesired. Who has the abortion: the woman. Why? Because her and the man... Where's the man? Well, he... Yeah, like a shit he just turned his back.<br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.50&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 03:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 12:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.51">41193.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.42#a41193_50" target="_self">41193.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> A stiff clit has no conscience either. I still think you're excusing the men and the 'stiff prick' thing is an example of that. Men are animals when they're aroused and can't be expected to think straight but women are what? Passive observers during sex and should be expected to think straight?<br /><br /> You keep re-iterating that it's generally the woman who bears the brunt of the consequences and, while of course I agree, that's irrelevant. Suggesting it ought be more the woman's responsibility <em>inherently</em> absolves the man.<br /><br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">many women - 40% or more - report to not have been using any form of birth control when being counseled for abortion.</span></div> That is <em>not </em>the same as 'using abortion as birth control' which strongly implies habitual, planned behaviour. Things happen in the heat of the moment. Yes, it's stupid, but that's kinda the point. "Using abortion as birth control" implies forethought and in such situations there clearly was none (which is the problem).<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.51&return_msg=41193.42" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41193.52" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>