But but but...

From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N)23 Feb 2012 14:49
To: graphitone 6 of 31
quote: wikipedia
According to John Woods, Islamic history professor at the University of Chicago, it was not simply the depiction of Muhammad that was offensive, but the implication that Muhammad was somehow a supporter of terrorism.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Feb 2012 15:07
To: graphitone 7 of 31
I'm in this mood today where I'm very intolerant of stupidity. Please try not to be stupid. :|

The Farside comic is based on a 300+ year old quote, which "though widely attributed to Muhammed, the prophet of Islam who lived in Arabia in 6th century, there is no written or oral tradition that traces this phrase back to him."

The quote, being around for more than twice the lifespan of any currently living human is an example of being humble or compromising not being shameful, or whatever.

But it is not, according to the wikiquote page, something that Muslims consider to be part of their religion, and even if it were, it is not something to cause offensive.

Drawing a comic which does not mock/denigrate Muhammed nor Islam ain't going to cause them to get all angry.

Which bit of this is hard to understand?
EDITED: 23 Feb 2012 15:09 by BOUGHTONP
From: af (CAER)23 Feb 2012 15:15
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 8 of 31
You're in a cheerful mood today Peter. What's brought this on?
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Feb 2012 15:17
To: af (CAER) 9 of 31
You.
From: af (CAER)23 Feb 2012 15:17
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 10 of 31
HTH.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Feb 2012 15:18
To: af (CAER) 11 of 31
(and the rest of the entire world) :P
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 Feb 2012 15:20
To: af (CAER) 12 of 31
He's giving up booze for Lent.
From: graphitone23 Feb 2012 15:21
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 13 of 31
Right you are.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Feb 2012 15:22
To: af (CAER) 14 of 31
I don't understand that post.
From: graphitone23 Feb 2012 15:28
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 15 of 31
quote: slate.com
Not all Islamic traditions ban images of Mohammed, and some are pretty lax about pictures of lesser figures. For Muslims, the rule against depicting God and the prophets comes from the Hadith, a collection of sayings and actions attributed to Mohammed. (A few passages in the Quran have been taken to offer oblique support to this notion.) The doctrine has been interpreted in various ways over the centuries. Persian art of the 15th and 16th centuries shows the figure of Mohammed with his face, hands, and feet covered. Some earlier Persian works show full views.

Arab Muslims tend to be the strictest about religious imagery. Shiites are more flexible than Sunnis; for example, they display images of Husayn, * the grandson of Mohammed. Devotional portraits of leading teachers are generally OK, as long as they don't fall under the Hadith ban on depicting the major prophets. Pictures of people in religious scenes—like pilgrims on the Hajj—are also allowed. These are more likely to be displayed in the home than at a mosque, and some conservative Muslims will refuse to pray in their presence.

Muslims are more or less unanimous on the subject of Allah—he can't be drawn under any circumstances.


I guess it depends on which denomination you happen to be part of as to what you're going to accept when it comes to people drawing your deities.

I'm not saying I don't understand what you're going on about - I'm just choosing either play devil's advocate, or goad you. I've not decided which yet.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)23 Feb 2012 15:35
To: graphitone 16 of 31
He's not a fucking deity.


And yes, of course you are. (nod)
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)23 Feb 2012 19:32
To: graphitone 17 of 31
I think the point is that Larson drew a Muhammed not the Muhammed since, as Peter says, the saying does not relate specifically to the prophet. Even the flaming towelheads aren't so stupid as to kill someone for that. Or are they?
From: graphitone23 Feb 2012 22:36
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 18 of 31
Ahem.

quote: My original post
Or did Larson draw another Mohammed, and not the prophet? There's so many of them, it's bound to lead to confusion.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 Feb 2012 22:40
To: graphitone 19 of 31
I'm guessing it was Mohammed Ali.
From: graphitone23 Feb 2012 23:00
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 20 of 31
Even if it was someone would still probably get up in arms about it. :C
From: Lucy (X3N0PH0N)23 Feb 2012 23:48
To: graphitone 21 of 31
Yes but those are rules for Muslims. Neither that Danish cartoonist nor Gary Larson are (to my knowledge) Muslims so those rules do not apply to them. The problem only comes when you, as Peter says, produce an image which insults or misrepresents a religion (regardless of whih religion, the conservative members of that religion will get offended).

Of course, plastering your room with pictures of Mohammaed and then inviting some Muslims in would probably cause offence for its rudeness/insensititvity.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)24 Feb 2012 08:42
To: graphitone 22 of 31
yeah, and then you go on to stir Peter up and make him all intolerant. You swine!
From: graphitone24 Feb 2012 09:41
To: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) 23 of 31

Good point.

 

I think it is a little sick though, that the individual or group with the lowest threshold for offensive material seems to set the bar of acceptability for everyone else.

 

I wish I could plaster a room with anything. It'd save a fortune on workmen. :C

From: graphitone24 Feb 2012 09:43
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 24 of 31

He seems to have been wound up before I even started.

 

But, I'll make him a pizza to make amends. I just need to know what he'd like on it. :|

From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)24 Feb 2012 09:49
To: graphitone 25 of 31
If he won't even co-operate in the creation of a yummy pizza for himself, then simply put black olives, capers, and anchovies on it. If he doesn't like that, I'll have it! (drool)